Ever Seen Anything Like This?

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I would so own that gun. Nothing prettier than a gun that does what it's owner intends it to. NOTHING. Museum pieces and unfired mint condition is great to look at, but to me pretty is as pretty does. Workboats and working guns are always prettier to me than untouched masterpieces that haven't lived outside the parlor.... Don't get me wrong, I'd love to own a Browning grade III scattergun or BLR or BHPR or even a .22 from that shop. It would however get a little scuffed up in actual use...
 
I'll stick my neck out.... :uhoh:

I think that means, "faithful reproduction of the original arm," and not necessarily an original gun itself - although I understand that some competitors do use original period pieces.
 
Originals and repros shoot in different classes. The big point is that a repro has to be of original pattern. Especially if the originals were mass-produced (e.g. military rifles and revolvers). Something like the gun in the OP would not even come close.
 
Many years ago, I belonged to tidewater muzzleloaders when they had a range outside Annapolis Md. Several Engineers and black powder gunsmiths as members.

Traditional was not in their vocabulary Their thumbhole half stocks double set trigger side lock guns had barrels turned round like that, add fancy Redfield olympic receiver sights, or x-tubes, etc. Hook butt plates and palm rests.

Ron Griffie (RIP) showed up one day with such a gun. stock Painted a very bright metal flake green.

Saw one or two cap and ball revolvers that Hoppie Hopkins had modified for match shooters. Close to being as buck rogers sci fy as it can get.
 
Blast! I can not remember the THR handle for the guy that might well have something like this.

He got tired of some folks arguing with him and left us.

He, his wife, and his daughter were all national champs at some BP pistol competition or another over the years.

He shot stuff like this and those backwards flintlock 1911 frame shaped guns.

Help me out guys.

-kBob
 
I remember the individual you are referring to, but not his user name.

Go to the forum's search feature and try the key words, NMLRA and Friendship (Indiana Range).

Now the Old Fuff is going to come clean and confess. :eek: :uhoh:

That he once converted a Colt 1911 .45 platform pistol to a single-shot C&B muzzleloader. :evil:

O the shame of it all... :eek: :D
 
Now the Old Fuff is going to come clean and confess.

That he once converted a Colt 1911 .45 platform pistol to a single-shot C&B muzzleloader.

Pictures, please! I would also like to know just a teensy bit of info as to how to go about such a pistol.

This is territory unknown to me and maybe a few others.

Guns are guns, and maybe some are a tad bit more than that.
 
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Looks like a very accurate "kitchen-tabled" gunsmithing job (don't know personally but have heard decent gunsmiths are a rare commodity in europe, at least finding them to work on private arms unless you're from big brother). I especially like the tight barrel-to-cylinder set from what I can see (mines so loose you could almost slip a piece of copy paper between the barrel and cylinder)!
 
Pictures, please! I would also like to know just a teensy bit of info as to how to go about such a pistol.

Can't help you with pictures because this all happened during the last century... :what:

1950's that is, when military surplus parts were easy to find and relatively inexpensive. I can, and will when I get time, write a detailed description.

Actually, it's a conversion, where the pistol can be returned to its original condition. And you can drive "traditional" shooters" bonkers. :evil:
 
I shot on the NMLRA national pistol line from 1987 till 1998, and saw many fine revolvers, pistols, and pistolsmiths. And yes, they were designed expressly for winning matches. Today, we would refer to them as "race guns". Back then, they were referred to as "Buck Rogers" guns or "Space Guns".

The first pistolsmiths to bring out a production inline S/S pistol and rifle were Bob Tingle of Indiana, and Alex Blaines of San Antonio, TX. Alex's were called "10-Ring" firearms, usually in 45 caliber, and available in percussion and flint, starting back in the '70's. The popularity of these guns influenced pistolsmiths to look at both the Ruger Old Army & the repro Remington New Model Army and start customizing for a better hold and more accuracy.

They prompted other well-know pistolsmiths like Harold Yazel & his son, Mike of Indiana, Dick Lewis & his son, Rob, Ed Mason of Memphis, Tom "Mulie" Ball, and Cimarron's "Lightning" single shot pistols to create handguns that eschewed traditional design and go for the "jugular" to achieve accuracy.

Mike Yazel, now a noted engraver, showed up in the eighties at Friendship with a revolver grip for the Ruger and Remington repro that looked like a small wooden bowling ball that had a slot that the competitor's hand "disappeared" into. There was no need to grip the gun, the "ball grip" allowed the revolver to "rest" on the shooter's wrist & hand. I'll have to dig it out and take a photo of it. I added a little more Acraglass-Gel to the my grips.

It was the age of "anything goes" when customizing a handgun. Many national-level competitors like myself, owned expensive German-made match-grade air pistols made by FWB, RWS, & Walther. If you look at the design and grips of those guns, you'll begin to understand why revolvers looked like a "Space Gun" with encompassing grips, barrel weights, and large sights.

These revolver designs were also influenced by the importance of the "consistency of the grip angle" which prompted pistolsmiths to use the same grip found on s/s inline pistols to put on C &B revolvers as seen in the photo in the first post. The competitor wanted to have the same grip angle on his s/s pistol AND his C & B revolver. He also wanted the weight and balance to be the same. He might even want to have the same sight radius (distance from rear sight aperture to front sight) on both guns, the same trigger pull. You get the point.

In my repertoire of match pistols are two each, Yazel inline s/s .36 caliber pistols, each with Bo-Mar sights, a flint .36 caliber Lighting flint s/s pistol with Bo-Mar sights, the reversed flint lock, and Pachmayr grips, a Pietta Remington Deluxe Model .44 revolver, a Uberti Remington .36 caliber, accurized by Tom Ball, a Ruger Old Army "Dragoon Model" (Super Blackhawk grip-frame w/squareback trigger-guard), fitted with Bo-Mar sights & Herrett custom-checkered grips, and a Ruger "Old Navy" .36 caliber, custom-made by Tom Ball with a octagon 9mm barrel fitted with Bo-Mar sights.

"Old Fuff" may have had the same thought as the late Ed Mason, a noted muzzle loading shotgun competitor, who took a Douglas .45 caliber, 1-1/8" across the flats, benchrest barrel, and milled the "east" & "west" side of the barrel to the dimensions of a Colt 1911-A1 pistol slide. A percussion nipple and breechplug were fitted to the barrel, and a link was milled out of the bottom of the barrel, so that a 1911-A1 lower receiver unit would "marry up" with the Douglas slide/barrel combo, and it looked like a muzzle loading 1911-A1 .45 pistol. Really neat.

I'll have to dig out the article from "Muzzleloader" magazine back in the '70's or '80's.

None need to be viewed as "beauties" but if you want to win matches, they are the "cat's meow".

Yazel inline s/s pistol, .36 caliber, with Herrett adjustable grips, barrel weight, extended front grip, & a Ruger Old Army .44 caliber, nicknamed the "Dragoon Model" with Bo-Mar sights, & Herrett full-checkered grips.

The license plate: The goal of every serious pistol/revolver competitor.
 

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Old Fluff and D Buck, I have a black powder pistol made like the one you talk about. It is a Bill Large barrel milled flat on the sides, matched to a 1911 frame, with slot cut vertical in the back of the barrel with a nipple and Bomar sights. I was told it was made a the late Lewis Parker of California. It has Parker stamped on the barrel. It is double ugly.
It is a 45 cal and shoots lights out. I will have to dig it out and take some photos. The frame is an old Essex that was cracked and tig welded.
I also shoot two of the Yazel Pistols in 45 cal, flint and perc, one of the Lightning by Cimarron Gun works, two different Ruger Old Army revolvers.
I was shooting a 40 cal underhammer made by someone in TX many years back.
I shot it in the 70's and 80's in TX, OK, KS, AR, MO, CO and a few times at the State shoot in Jackson MS.
Mike
 
kBob & Old Fuff, the guy you're trying to recall was called Phil & his user name was [email protected]. He, his wife Paulette & daughter Halie are very heavy into NMLRA pistol competition.
A few years ago I bought a Pedersoli Carleton Underhammer pistol from him, that his wife had won in some match but it was too traditional for their taste so they sold it.
 
Yup! That's the guy. Wonder what happened to him? Maybe our perspectives were too modern for him, but I hope not.
 
Well those last few posts have brought me some sorrow. I had a Yazel ten x, Rob Lewis Flint and Percussion, an MMR Hawkeye, and several other target pistols. All lost when my house burned down last month. The fire was so hot and for such a long period that even the guns in a gun safe were toast. My cast iron kettle partially melted.
The metal skin burned off the safe and falling beams crushed it to the point that it was broke open. I don't even remember the name of the company. I bought the safe used 30 years ago. Also two original long rifles. But stuff is stuff. I can replace stuff. My constant buddy, my Black German Shepard "Duke" perished in the fire.
 
zimmerstutzen - My condolences for your losses!

I've always wondered about stored black powder (and my modern ammo too) in case of a house fire.

Did you have any stored and, if so, do you think it contributed to the fire's intensity?
 
At the most, black powder in original cans will just add to the heat & smoke of a fire. A full can, now a plastic jar, usually has a inch of free space inside, so there is no threat of an explosion. Remember, black powder has to be compressed to explode.

A friend of mine had a fire in one of his outbuildings, and about 20 pounds of black powder, quite literally, went up in smoke. The heat popped the tops of the cans off, but no TV-type fireball with flying debris.
 
Amazingly, of the four pounds of powder stored, the two in the safe blew. I found two cans of powder intact in the ashes and debris in the basement.

It was an old oak timber frame farmhouse from the 1860's. I had just taken delivery of a several hundred square feet of oak hardwood flooring to redo the upstairs floors. The fire started in late morning when every one was at work. It burned hot and for almost 9 hours before they could get it out.
 
O crap zimmer, I'm sorry to hear on the loss of your home, hobby and most of a duke.

So sorry, hang in there. I have an Italian flinter pistol, I was gonna trim the barrel and make a false muzzle on it, bit nose heavy and this would fix it. It is a great shooter. Yours if u want it. Shoot me your mail address
 
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