Everything crappy about the...Walther P99

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Greg Bell

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I am going to try another "everything crappy about" thread. For those of you who have forgotten (everybody, I'm sure) the idea is to state all the reasonable problems with a guns design. This isn't x vs. Y. I just want to collect all the cons into one place. I assembled my "Ultimate P7 Pro/Con Faq" using this technique (and I think it holds up).

My dream is to (eventually) come up with a handy reference for newbies and prospective buyers of different handguns.


I will start...

1. Unusual manual of arms. The P99 is unusual in that it is a striker-fired double action. Unlike a traditional hammer-fired double action there is no cocked-back hammer or trigger to give you a visual cue that the weapon is cocked. Walther attempted to address this with a small "weapon cocked" indicator on the back of the slide. A person is probably more likely to holster a Walther P-99 cocked than a traditional double action. Only after the trigger is pulled for the first time will it remain set back (or cocked). This too often confuses those new to the system.

2. Strange de-cocker placement. Unlike most other weapons equipped with a de-cocking lever, the Walther has a recessed button atop the rear of the left side of the slide. Theoretically this might lead to slightly slower de-cocking. In reality, this is simply unusual. I can think of no real drawback. Only the most hopeless "mall Ninja" is concerned about speedy de-cocking.

3. Proprietary equipment rail. The Walther equipment rail along the front of frame is unlike any other. Therefore, you are limited to "Walther only" toys. This is being addressed with the newer, revised (and ugly) Walthers.

4. Mag release button is the less-popular HK type. The mag release on the Walther is a recessed lever along the rear of the trigger-guard. It allows for ambidextrous, and rapid use. Unfortunately, some will complain that isn't the older, Luger-style button release. Some have complained that this style release is more likely to be accidentally activated--although this is hard to confirm.

5. Plastic sites. The P99's standard sites are made of plastic. This means that they will likely be less durable than the usual metal site. Walther, apparently, manufactures a metal replacement for those who care enough to pay. Plus, all the available tritium sites have metal bodies.
 
I have never, in at least three hundred magazines, accidently hit the release. It seems to me like it would be harder to accidently hit.
 
The P99 in 9mm is a wonderful shooter, but in .40, it has way more muzzle flip and recoil then it should. I think it is maybe the snappiest .40 I've ever shot. That and the recoil spring is waaay too weak in .40!
 
The P99 in 9mm is a wonderful shooter, but in .40, it has way more muzzle flip and recoil then it should. I think it is maybe the snappiest .40 I've ever shot. That and the recoil spring is waaay too weak in .40!
 
My heavily biased opinion piece.....

Shot one in .40 a few weeks ago. Not a P99, but a SW99.

Cons:

Unsupported chamber. All the brass was deformed. And I do mean ALL. Now that I have a digital camera I wish I had picked some up. .40 are downright scary enough as is, but in a plastic gun with an unsupported chamber.....I still can't comprehend how this cartridge and the S&W99/P99 and Glock .40 are in the market position that they are in today.

Gun seemed very thick and clunky. Felt cheap and junky. Fired it immediately after I had been in a shooting session with my Browning Hi-Power 9mm.

Gun was not very accurate and in addition threw every round to the left. It was so bad that we're talking 3-5" to the left of P.O.A. at 7 yards. This after shooting a nice 4" group at 27 yards from a benchrest with my Belgian BHP using the tiny stock 50 meter sights and Winchester 124gr. NATO FMJ. And my HP is not particularily accurate. It's nothing special. Just a good gun. By looking it over though, I could see this particuliar SW99 was not a very good example of workmanship. I was not impressed, nor was I surprised though.

The magazine release is just damn weird, but not the worst thing I've ever seen.


Pros:

Sights were decent standard white dot fare. I can't remember if it was bars or dots. Anyways they seemed ok. They were small enough for a combat pistol, yet large enough for a decent sight picture.

Single action trigger was kinda heavy, but crisp. The trigger itself felt strange and wide. Double action was typical, reminded me of a Beretta 92FS.

Did not jam.

It's lightweight.

Recoil felt almost the same as my BHP.
 
Mag release button is the less-popular HK type.

I like it more than others. I never was a popularity contest winner!

Gun was not very accurate and in addition threw every round to the left.

Guns and Ammo had a shootout between the P99 and SW99 a while back... the SW99 averaged 3+ inch groups for all loads, while the P99 averaged under 2 for most. Guess there is a reason behind the price difference?
 
2. Strange de-cocker placement. Unlike most other weapons equipped with a de-cocking lever, the Walther has a recessed button atop the rear of the left side of the slide. Theoretically this might lead to slightly slower de-cocking. In reality, this is simply unusual. I can think of no real drawback. Only the most hopeless "mall Ninja" is concerned about speedy de-cocking.
I dunno. I must be a mall ninja.

That decocker position is just dumb. I was looking at the S&W99 from the POV of a cop looking at a duty gun, and that right there was a no-go for me. I can think of plenty of scenarios in which I would want to be able to decock and holster one-handed, and the design will not allow me to do it.

Dumb.

Now, for a dedicated range gun? That might be perfectly fine.

Mike
 
Greg Bell, you wrote:
3. Proprietary equipment rail. The Walther equipment rail along the front of frame is unlike any other. Therefore, you are limited to "Walther only" toys. This is being addressed with the newer, revised (and ugly) Walthers.
This is being addressed to some extent. Due to the limited length from the front of the triggerguard and the muzzle, combined with requirement to be able to use gloves, lights such as the ITI M3 will not fit the new accessory rail. The ITI M5, which has its locking bar set further back about a quarter of an inch, will fit.
 
2. Strange de-cocker placement. Unlike most other weapons equipped with a de-cocking lever, the Walther has a recessed button atop the rear of the left side of the slide. Theoretically this might lead to slightly slower de-cocking. In reality, this is simply unusual. I can think of no real drawback.

The true drawback to having the decocker on the top left side, is that it's even worse if you're a lefty. I found the only way to get to it if you're left handed like me, is to tilt the pistol toward the right, and use the right thumb to depress it. Stupid design flaw, for either lefties or righties.

It's the only reason keeping me from buying a P99/SW99. Because otherwise it's a great pistol.
 
It's the only reason keeping me from buying a P99/SW99. Because otherwise it's a great pistol.

Why not just not use the decocker? The trigger would be in the forward type position for a full double action length pull but not the weight.

Or get a D/A only model with no decocker?
 
I think the P99 had a lot of "creative" thinking applied to solve non-problems to come up with its rather unusual manual of arms.

I really liked the way it felt in my hand, might have bought the German made P99 AS model for $490 if he'd had it in 9mm (I wanted cheap shooting, doubt I'd ever carry it, otherwise I'd have got the .40).

They are rather scarce around here, was this a good price? Total factory package with extra grip rear inserts, multiple sight blades, and two mags.

--wally.
 
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