Fallen soldiers shipped home as freight.

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How many times does it take for those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome to be lied to by the LSM? How many times do you need to have your chain yanked? Your knee jerked? You are being lied to, you bark like Pavlov's dog, you repeat the lie.

Endlessly.

The American military takes extreme care for its war dead. There is honor and love for those who die in combat. Stories such as the one that started this thread, are deliberate attempts to slander our military.
 
What are they supposed to do, pump them full of preservative and sit them in first class? The body doesnt care where it is put. As long as the funeral is respectful, I dont see that it matters in what manner the body was shipped.
 
pete f, all I know about Dubya is second hand from people who worked for/with him, or just knew him during the governorship era. I've yet to hear anything that would make me believe he's the sort who might think, "Hey, there's a great photo-op!" I don't doubt there are those on the White House staff who could well be that cynical, but not The Man.

I have a lot of gripes about a lot of stuff from this Administration, but I still have a pretty high regard for Bush the man.

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beerslurpy said:
What are they supposed to do, pump them full of preservative and sit them in first class? The body doesnt care where it is put. As long as the funeral is respectful, I dont see that it matters in what manner the body was shipped.
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You are correct, the body does not care. This whole business is simply for the grieving family and loved ones and wanting to have closure for their loss in a manner that is not perceived as offensive. The matter is almost always discussed in the manner of respect of the deceased him/herself or respect for the body of the deceased (regardless of being military or civilian), but it is really more about the living than it is the deceased.

I have never been able to rectify how it is we talk about the deceased and having respect for the deceased and the deceased's remains, and yet the deceased usually gets discarded in manners akin to unceremonious refuse, cremated or buried. The only big differences being the amount of pomp and circumstance at the time of cremation and/or burial and the fact that the land fill being used is prettier. In the ground or cremated with ceremony or in the ground or cremated without, you are still in the ground or ashes.
 
when I go you could paint a gay pride rainbow on my coffin for all I care. When you sign up your whole life becomes MIL SPEC, it is understood.
 
My parents have already set up their cremation and burial stuff. They don't want us to spend any of our money on them after they are gone.

I have no problems with Bush. I understand that he has met with many of the relatives of the deceased soldiers personally. I heard that he invites all of them. That has got to be tough to do.
 
MechAg94 said:
I have no problems with Bush. I understand that he has met with many of the relatives of the deceased soldiers personally. I heard that he invites all of them. That has got to be tough to do.
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I have many problems with President Bush, but I give credit where it is due: he looks grieving families in the face and says, "I gave the order." I offer him a lot of personal respect for that.
 
I shouldn't say I have "NO" problems. I just don't have any problems where his foreign policy is concerned. However, I agree with your point. :)
 
More military bashing disguised as sympathy for the troops, imho.
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Pa-leeeezzzeeee. :mad:

Dear Original Poster:

Get over it. Nothing's changed over the years. I just can't imagine what you expect the government to do.

Thanks to the gentlemen who performed escort duty. Thanks to the soldiers who died for this country.
 
To those that serve, or have served

I have nothing but the highest regard for those that sacrifice for our country. Whether you are pro war, anti-war, whatever, those that gave the ultimate sacrifce should be given all due respect.

Those from the military look at it as something that comes with the job. I know that I can sit here in the comfort of my home tonight because of the ones that fought and sometimes died at Yorktown, Gettysburg, Flander's Fields, Normandy, or a thousand other places.

At 54, I'd like to think that we do all we can. After reading the posts, I guess we still have to live in the real world. If veterans are comfortable with the arrangements, that should be fine. Thanks
 
geekWithA.45 said:
In both theory and practice, anything being transported is either passenger, baggage, or freight.
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EXACTLY !!! During my short tenure as a ramp rat for a contract company to Delta Air Lines, the only way human remains was shipped was as freight. We were cautioned to treat each casket with respect because one never knows who's watching. I think this is much ado about nothing. BTW, when I die, I will probably be shipped as "freight" for burial at sea. BFD!!!

Could you imagine the outrage on the costs involved were the military to use transport aircraft to return a person's remains to every city ?? Figure 45-60 man hours of maintenance per aircraft flight hour, then add fuel to the cost, then there's the aircrew. BTW, even when they are shipped from the Middle East to Dover, they're STILL shipped as freight!!:banghead:
 
The parents, both Army vets and the father is a former Screaming Eagle as well, were interviewed on CNN (12/13 AM). Their only son, a medic with the 101st, was killed by IED 7 weeks after his arrival in Iraq. Their objection was that their son was being transported by commercial air and they felt that the transfer of remains should be handled from AO embarcation to final resting place by the military because that is what all service members who die in the defense of this country deserve. This was something that they wanted all loved ones of fallen service members to know about. I'm sure they know what the military protocols and regs are that govern the process so I think their stand comes from the overwhelming grief about the loss of their son.

To the credit of CNN at the conclusion of the interview there followed a piece detailing the process described by other members here.
 
shermacman said:
How many times does it take for those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome to be lied to by the LSM? How many times do you need to have your chain yanked? Your knee jerked? You are being lied to, you bark like Pavlov's dog, you repeat the lie.
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LSM = mainstream Media?
 
SKN said:
The parents, both Army vets and the father is a former Screaming Eagle as well, were interviewed on CNN (12/13 AM). Their only son, a medic with the 101st, was killed by IED 7 weeks after his arrival in Iraq. Their objection was that their son was being transported by commercial air and they felt that the transfer of remains should be handled from AO embarcation to final resting place by the military because that is what all service members who die in the defense of this country deserve. This was something that they wanted all loved ones of fallen service members to know about. I'm sure they know what the military protocols and regs are that govern the process so I think their stand comes from the overwhelming grief about the loss of their son.

To the credit of CNN at the conclusion of the interview there followed a piece detailing the process described by other members here.
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This is what I "really" don't understand- If they are ex-military, they KNOW how it is done. Also, there is the issue of Mil cargo acft being in rather short supply. I have been a CACO and an Escort. Neither job is fun, but in no case was either of the bodies I was involved with treated with anything other than complete respect by the airlines during both on and off load. Personally, I think this is another hachet job against the military and the current administration. Remember the ruckus about the media not being allowed to take pictures at Dover? Because the bodies were "supposedly" being loaded and unloaded by forklift... :cuss:
 
This is an excellent example of the "media bias' that conservative talk show hosts blather on and on about (I am a proud Republican, but I generally dislike conservative talk show hosts. I can make up my own mind.). The person that wrote this article was not, under any circumstance, writing a fair and balanced article. His or her use of semantics to promote an agenda is whats disrespectful, in my opinion.
 
I read recently that parents of a soldier killed in Iraq had there son's remains delivered to them on a forklift.:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
 
I read recently that parents of a soldier killed in Iraq had there son's remains delivered to them on a forklift.
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You paying attention here, Doug? You are being lied to, the question is why do you believe those lies?
 
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