Fatal Chicago Beating: A Hypothetical

[alohachris]

http://www.breitbart.tv/graphic-video-shows-beating-death-of-chicago-honors-student/

Here's a hypothetical that crossed my mind and I'd like to hear your opinion:

What would be the political fallout if person with a valid Concealed Carry Permit from another state happened to be there, chooses to disregard Chicago's handgun ban knowing that he will be working in bad neighborhoods, and while carrying, and stops this vicious attack in it's tracks?

The victim (an honor student) is saved and recovers after a month long hospital stay for head injuries. Four assailants are shot after attempting to assault the permit holder, one is killed, but three survive their injuries and are charged with attempted murder.

Permit holder is otherwise an upstanding member of the community and articulately describes his choice to carry & intervene as the lesser of two evils.

You say what happens at News stand the next day...?

 

[Jeff White]

What would be the political fallout if person with a valid Concealed Carry Permit from another state happened to be there, chooses to disregard Chicago's handgun ban knowing that he will be working in bad neighborhoods, and while carrying, and stops this vicious attack in it's tracks?

There would be immediate legal fallout when the out of state CCW holder was arrested, charged with felony UUW and jailed. I'm sure the Cook COunty prosecutor would be told by his political bosses to send the CCW holder so far into the Illinois Department of Corrections that the only sunlight he'd see for at least 5 years would be reflected in the sunglasses of the CO who placed his meals in the slot of his cell door.

This isn't a topic for Strategies and Tactics, I'm moving it to General Gun Discussions.

 

[MT GUNNY]

Permit holder goes to jail !! welcome to Illinois!!

 

[Jeff White]

Permit holder goes to jail !!

As he should in any jurisdiction where his permit is not valid, Illinois or Wisconsin where there or no permits or in another state that has no reciprocity with the state that issued his permit.

This is the High Road and the standard here is to obey the law, even the one's we don't agree with or are inconvenient.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

I agree with you Jeff, except in one way. Not inconvenient.... immoral.

 

[RedLion]

As bad as it sounds, Illinois law makers, and voters, have made their opinions very clear. They do not want any help from people outside of law enforcement in matters like this. So I guess they will have to live with their decision and are going to have to take responsibility for their decision. They cannot ban fists or anything like that, so their "tried and true" ways of stopping crime will have to be addressed.

 

[LowEx]

Just because we think something is right or just does not make it legal.

The owner would experience the full degree of the law just as Mr. White explained. He may even be charged with murder and aggravated assault with a firearm, depending on the politics and the whims of the DA.

The news would likely spin it as an attack on children in their own neighborhood. The only two who'd ever know any better would be the Kid and the (Out of State) license holder.

All that and the license holder knowingly violated the law, placing himself in unspeakable legal danger even before the incident occurred. Most unwise.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

It is impossible to have any hypothetical discussion of any topic that might include breaking the law on The High Road. It is in violation of THR rules. It would be better to suggest that anyone in Illinois disagreeing with the law as it is in Illinois vote for lawmakers that will change the law. It is ironic to note that our country was founded by a bunch of people advocating an unlawful tax revolt.

 

[Jeff White]

I don't see any way an illegal act convinces the politicians and the citizens of Illinois that CCW is a good idea. I hate to say it, but it's going to take a Luby's Cafeteria type incident where someone left their weapon in the car and was unable to act to get the right kind of press.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

You're probably right, Jeff. And, it's a real shame that people are going to have to have to die in spectacular fashion for it to bring real discussion about the subject.

 

[MagnumDweeb]

Terrorists wanting to pull a Mumbai would probably think, after looking at the media in Chicago, that Chicago would be the perfect target. The politicians aren't too different. They are corrupt, distrusting of the people, and their answers to illegal guns is to keep law abiding people from having them. And in the face of budget cuts and officers being let go, Chicago is looking pretty soft.

But...if some gangbangers were to take on the said terrorists in open gunfights while the police are stagnated in ill-preparation and poor resource provision, wouldn't that be so perfectly poetic. Two terrorists with FA Aks being cut down under a hail of fire from handguns from a dozen plus gangbangers would just be all too perfect. Short of that, I don't see CCW happening anytime soon. No no Chicago will get more worthless incompetent 'community organizers' who say guns and violence are evil, they'll talk about parenting. But none of them will face the fact that a gun is a hell of a lot more scarey than some whiney useless community organizer.

 

[Dannix]

Could the parents sue any politicians who had voted for gun control?

The real bummer of this is that not only does the justice department uphold unconstitutional laws, the murders if caught will probably see charges that would shock Americas 200 years ago.

Really though, I would say this incident has more to do with the general moral tenor of our day than of RKBA.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Just an additional thought. These laws are a symptom of who Chicagoans continue to elect, and (by extension the state of IL) to their state legislature. Myself, I don't go to Chicago. They don't want me armed in their city, I don't feel the need to spend my time or money there.

 

[danbrew]

As a long time (near) Chicago resident, you'd be screwed. The entire situation would be laid at your feet and you'd very likely be charged with any injuries the original victim sustained. Nobody would listen to your two cents. You would do serious prison time.

My take? Sink or swim. As bad as it sounds to the victim involved, the City of Chicago needs these violent episodes so that the everyday Joe realizes how screwed up it is here. While there's enough wrong with Chicago to justify no Olympics here, I like to think that these types of incidents were part of why Chicago didn't receive the Olympic Games.

 

[Dr.Zubrato]

Just an additional thought. These laws are a symptom of who Chicagoans continue to elect, and (by extension the state of IL) to their state legislature. Myself, I don't go to Chicago. They don't want me armed in their city, I don't feel the need to spend my time or money there.

Given the nature of chicago politics, votes can't compare to money when the matter concerns elected positions. Don't expect a break from the cops either, a few good ones slip through the system but the rest enjoy the luxury of a complete lack of responsibility or liability for their actions. It's a shameful state of affairs to say the least, but for those with family, roots, friends, and work they must grin and bear it.

Picking up and finding a new home is easier said than done for most.