Firearms on Amtrak

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The President has now signed the law allowing firearm owners to transport their guns on Amtrak. Unfortunately, the law requires passengers to go into a locked box with their firearms.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...xnews%2Fpolitics+%28FOXNews.com+-+Politics%29

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Typo in Law Establishes Mandate to Lock Gun-Toting Train Passengers in Boxes
By Chad Pergram
- FOXNews.com

Because of a typo, President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey



Harry Houdini made a career escaping from locked boxes. So did David Copperfield and Doug Henning.

And now, add to that list Amtrak passengers packing heat in their luggage?

It may sound absurd. But President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey.

It's a mistake in the law's wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.

Earlier this week, Congress sent the president a massive spending bill that funded dozens of federal departments. Tucked into the transportation section of the legislation are safety requirements for Amtrak customers who carry firearms on board the government-backed train system. The bill Congress passed mandates that passengers with firearms declare they have weapons with them in advance and stow them in locked boxes while on the train.

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing "passengers" into locked boxes.

Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., became aware of the problem Wednesday night as the House voted on its final slate of bills for the year. Pelosi's staff tried to negotiate with Republican aides to see if they would agree to change the text of the bill without revoting the entire piece of legislation. But it was all for naught as Obama had already signed the measure into law.

It's clear the typo alters the legislation's mandate. But no one quite knows the origin of the mistake.

Senior Congressional sources familiar with the error suggested the problem may have been introduced in the "enrolling" process of bills. Once both the House and Senate approve the final version of a bill, the text of the legislation is sent to an "enrolling clerk" who actually copies the bill onto parchment paper. The parchment version of the package is then sent to the White House for the president to sign into law.

Another theory is that the mistake could be something as simple as a printing error. The House and Senate run multiple versions of bills before they send the final copy to the White House to become law. Another possibility is that Congress sent President Obama the wrong, non-proofed version of the bill to sign.

The misfire is fixable. But probably not until early next year. The House late Wednesday completed what it expects to be its final session of the year. The Senate remains in session debating health care reform. But both the House and Senate would have to agree to a technical correction of the text that missed its mark.

The error is reminiscent of $289 billion farm bill President Bush vetoed in May, 2008. In that instance, both houses of Congress inadvertently sent Bush an incomplete bill, leaving out a 35-page chunk. The president then vetoed an incomplete bill. Congress discovered the error when lawmakers attempted to override the president's veto.

In that case, House re-passed the entire farm bill and overrode Bush's veto.

"This bill is one of the most-passed bills we've done," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., quipped at the time.

The rules to allow Amtrak passengers to carry weapons with them are new. Airline passengers have long been permitted to transport weapons in checked luggage. But Amtrak banned firearms from its trains after Sept. 11. Only police officers are now allowed to board Amtrak trains with guns.

Rep. John Fleming and Sen. Roger Wicker, both Mississippi Republicans, are the primary advocates of the Amtrak gun provision.
 
HAHAHHAHAHA thats hillarious. How many errors so blatantly horrible do you think are in that 2000+ page Healthcare Bill? Surely there are none!
 
It won't be long before TSA changes their rules to make airline transportation consistent with AMTRAK's!
Well a plane is basically a locked box, so that would be fine with me :)
 
I smell a civil rights lawsuit here. If I have to ride in a locked box, is that providing "separate but equal" facilities? :eek:

:D

-Sam
 
Wouldn't it be discriminatory to make gun owners ride in a locked container and antis get to look out the windows or sit in the bar car?

That's not fair.

:evil:
 
As sad as this is concerning the supposed diligence of our elected lawmakers, I can't help but laugh.
 
Just typical of Washington these days and agree that there are probably many "typo's" in the health care bill as well.. none in our favor.
 
I think it is ridiculous, I am a freight train engineer and conductor and if I get caught with a firearm on company property it is automatic dismissal, no ifs ands or buts about it.

We travel through and work in the absolute worst parts of every major city in the USA everyday I also routinely have to walk and inspect my trains at all times day and night by myself in either the worst parts of town or out in the middle of nowhere.

I guess this is to keep someone safe but who? It sure isn't me or anyone that lives around any major rail road tracks. We have one cop who's territory covers three different states. And you think your local 911 has slow response times, ha.

So what if someone decides to take over my train that has 100 loaded tank cars full of chlorine gas, radio active materials, jet fuel, propane, acids, whatever that could wipe out a whole city and or pollute massive areas.
 
So what if someone decides to take over my train that has 100 loaded tank cars full of chlorine gas, radio active materials, jet fuel, propane, acids, whatever that could wipe out a whole city and or pollute massive areas.

I'll bet your train doesn't have any cars loaded with ammo shipments! Then we'd be talking major disaster!
 
In bootcamp they told us that the Navy was a reflection of society since everyone came from just about everywhere else... guess the same holds true for DC...
 
I'll bet your train doesn't have any cars loaded with ammo shipments! Then we'd be talking major disaster!

Think again, who do you think hauls all the military's equipment and supplies across the country. We run military cars all the time, and sometime entire trains of nothing but military cars and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what an explosive placard looks like and what the numbers 1.1-1.6 stand for. I will leave it at that.

Just to ease your mind or if anyone gets any idea's they are loaded in such a way that they cannot be easily accessed. Usually they are loaded in shipping containers that sit down inside a car body, to close to open the doors with out removing the container from the car body first. With sensitive loads we also sometimes have a follower who watches and checks the cars along our route as we travel. Also the tank cars are rated for impact collision but they unfortunatly to break open sometimes.

I still don't understand why we are prohibited from protecting ourselves. I had another situation like this once while I was a Marine. I hauled a several whole tractor trailor loads of bombs and missiles from China Lake Naval Base to MCAS Yuma for British to use during WTI training.

I asked our CO when I got to check out my M16 and some ammo and he laughed and said we will provide you with a MP to follow you along the way. I was like, OK, I'm going to be hauling however many hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of high tech missles and bombs on a open flat bed trailer on a twelve hour round trip and your going to give me one non nco mp with one Berreta M9? Yeah that makes perfectly good sense huh.
 
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I was actually referring to commercial shipments of ammunition to retail stores because it sure seems like those are few and far between!
 
I was thinking about taking my kids on a train ride this spring. What does this law actually mean? Can I carry my firearm on a train in a locked box or what ? When does the law take effect ?
 
As the law is now, apparantly, according to Fox News, what you do is claim the firearms belong to your kids and you get to lock your kids in boxes for the duration of the trip! :D

I don't know the serious answers to your question, though.
 
I was really looking forward to this law taking effect so I could finally ride the train... now we'll have to see how this plays out as there are currently no guns allowed at all on an Amtrak train.
 
Has anyone ever seen a metal detector or bag search on Amtrak?
I've never seen one, and I take Amtrak to Apartheid Chicago for Christmas every year. That I know of, there's none between Cleveland and Chicago.

Given that there was actually a gunfight between drug smugglers and LEOs on one of the Chicago platforms one year, the answer is "no".

A few curs acted up on the trip back from Chicago this year and got ejected in Toledo. One of them actually threatened a female conductor. He got to take a 03:00am ride with the Toledo PD. I was tempted to point out to him that there was concealed carry in Ohio and that it might not be smart to threaten women here, just to see what he said, but they actually had him arrested, so I didn't bother.
 
This law doesn't have any force.

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing "passengers" into locked boxes.

If the Senate's bill had the typo, then the legislation passed was two different bills. Which means there's nothing for Obama to legally sign, so its invalid (not passed in House)

If the one Obama signed is the only one with the typo (House/Senate both correct) then he signed into law a law that wasn't passed by Congress. So its invalid, but a correctly worded one is still just awaiting his signature, and the one he did sign is invalid cause Congress didn't pass it for him to sign.
 
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