Florida pro-gun legislation filed

[SparxSP]

I really have a hard time with telling a private property owner that they have to accept anything... It's your property, you make the rules. No one is forcing me to work for an anti-gun employer.

It seems like too many of us say "Government regulation is wrong, unless it is what we want to hear."

Maybe I'm off base here, just something to think about.

And don't get me wrong, I support it. But I support it because it is helping us gain back inches that were given up/taken away. It's a win for gun owners and a loss for property/business owners.

I respectfully disagree. I am not an attorney, but I know that in the world of real estate in Florida, businesses (and Realtors) are legally prevented from discriminatory practices; Private property owners are not. If I choose to sell my home myself, I am legally free to discriminate as I see fit, and sell to blue people with 3 arms only, at the exclusion of all others, should I so desire.
That being said, I do not see this as a conflict between the 2 types of rights, both of which I have a vested interest in. It should (continue) to be illegal for a business to discriminate, and this bill seems like a logical extension of that prohibition (to us gun owners, at least...lol). On the other hand, I would not foresee negative fallout for those of us true "private property owners" as a result.
Just my opinion; Thanks for listening.

 

[teknoid]

We've had a law like this in Kentucky for a while, now. Some politicians actually realize that your rights don't end at the end of your driveway.

States who permit employers to prohibit LEGAL firearms in cars must believe guns kill all by their lonesome. I haven't seen this one do any damage, yet.

http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/

I doubt the one in your car will behave any differently. If people are willing to submit to this, what's next? Are you ready to have the local mall do the same? After all, it IS their parking lot. Even if your car IS your property.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

eric.cartman wrote:

Sans, and others, listen up, and listen good.
This is not about 2nd A. vs. private property.
We're not talking about carrying CW onto someones property.
We're talking about having one in YOUR car.

To all of you against such legislation, answer me this:

Your car, is who's property?
Your car becomes who's property once it leaves your garage and enters the public road and/or private parking lot?
The INSIDE of your car is already considered the extension of your home in FL.
So who's property is THE INSIDE of your car, where the gun is storred?
So are you really bringing a gun onto someone's private property???

Eric, is your car your own personal mobile sovereign nation? Are you able to park your car on someone else's property and say, "This car is my property, and I will have or do anything I want to on my property? Oh, yes, and I won't pay a dime of rent?"

Should you be able to get drunk in your car on another person's property, against his will? Get friendly with your wife? It's the same as your house, isn't it?

-Sans Authoritas

 

[teknoid]

Are you able to park your car on someone else's property and say, "This car is my property, and I will have or do anything I want to on my property? Oh, yes, and I won't pay a dime of rent?"

Should you be able to get drunk in your car on another person's property, against his will? Get friendly with your wife? It's the same as your house, isn't it?

The problem with this hypothesis, is that the things you list are illegal (trespassing, PI, indecent exposure, etc), while carrying a weapon in your car is not. Quite a difference, I'd say.

If you're at work, I don't believe you'd be doing anything quite like what you mentioned, unless you have a really strange job.

An employer who prohibits weapons in your car isn't just preventing you from having them on the premises, they are insuring that you are vulnerable on your way to and from work. If I had the misfortune of working for a place like that, I'd park elsewhere, if it was possible. I'm glad we don't have to worry about that in KY. Preemption is nice, and state law prohibits the practice.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Teknoid wrote:

If you're at work, I don't believe you'd be doing anything quite like what you mentioned, unless you have a really strange job.

An employer who prohibits weapons in your car isn't just preventing you from having them on the premises, they are insuring that you are vulnerable on your way to and from work. If I had the misfortune of working for a place like that, I'd park elsewhere, if it was possible. I'm glad we don't have to worry about that in KY. Preemption is nice, and state law prohibits the practice.

An employer won't know unless you're really careless about carrying, and/or search your vehicle. Should you be working for a company if they're searching cars? Or should you patronize businesses that do the same?

-Sans Authoritas

 

[eric.cartman]

Sans Authoritas,
I think you're over extending the logic in this case.
I'm not talking about doing thinkg in your car.
I'm talking about having things in your car.
The inside of your car is still, legally, your home.
What right does ANYONE have to search, much less require, you have or have not certain things, legal things, in your home / car.
The location, legitimate location, an expected location of your car, should not change the rules of your home and car (extension of the former).

E.C.

P.S. Sans Authoritas, I respect your poinr of view. All your posts so far sound like the most beautiful poetry... except this one ;-)

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Eric, don't get me wrong, I never said that anyone should be able to search your car or person. I just said that they have the right to exclude armed people from their property. If you are careless, and reveal that you are armed, they have the right to ask you to leave. Even if it were as arbitrary as carrying a pack of cigarettes or exactly 74 cents in change. No matter how ridiculous their position is, it's their property. There's nothing morally wrong with not abiding by their arbitrary rules, but they do have the right to ask you to leave, and, if it is necessary to avoid an escalation in conflict, I think it is your duty to leave.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[Harry Paget Flashman]

I just got this in my email from the NRA:

ALERT! Florida Chamber of Commerce Renews Attack On Our Firearms Rights!




Date: February 8, 2008
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

Email address: [email protected]

Senator Charles Dean (R- Inverness) appeared at a press conference held by the anti-gun Florida Chamber of Commerce. During his speech, Senator Dean touted his NRA membership and then disparaged NRA’s leadership for pushing legislation to protect our right to keep and bear arms and our right to self-defense. Senator Dean also claimed that the issue of having a firearm in your private vehicle for lawful purposes, while parked in a public accessed parking lot, is not important to NRA members.



Please contact Senator Dean and let him know how important the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the right to self-defense are to you.


Senator Dean's contact information is below.
Email: [email protected]

District Address: 415 Tompkins Street
Inverness, FL 34450
Phone: (352) 860-5175

Legislative Address: 311 Senate Office Bldg.
404 S. Monroe St.
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1100
Phone: (850) 487-5017

To view the News 7, WJHG article and television clip please click here.

(The television clip can be view by clicking on the words, GUNS AT WORK, located below the title of the article.)

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The link/video is here: http://www.wjhg.com/news/headlines/15406211.html

Sen. Dean's email address is: [email protected]

 

[camacho]

Email sent! Let's keep pressure on those guys and have this law passed this year. Let's not have them jerk us around this time!

 

[Green Lantern]

2nd Amendment vs Private Property Rights. That's a tough one.

It shouldn't be, look at it like this: The employers are infringing on the property rights of the people that own the CARS and the contents therein.

IMO, the only way an employer would be justified in regulating what LEGAL property an employee kept locked up within the confines of their own vehicle, would be if it was a "company car" and thus the car was ALSO owned by the EMPLOYER.