Flying with spent ammo

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1911ShooterTJ

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Hey guys, long time reader but first time poster :)

I have a quick question for everyone and would appreciate your input. Currently we have a French exchange student living with us, and considering the relatively strict firearm laws in France, I decided it would be fun to take him skeet shooting. Needless to say, he had a blast! He's already started to see where he could do this in Europe.:cool:

However, he would like to take back a few shotgun shells (already been fired) with him home to France as a memento. Do you foresee any problems with this at the airport? I suggested he may want to place this in his checked in luggage. I'm not sure if it would also be a good idea to place the rounds in some sort of separate case inside his checked luggage as you would for transporting live ammunition.

This kid is pretty amazed at the firearm laws here, and how open we are to guns, so I'd like to spare him any grief (or arrests) at the airport:banghead:

Thanks in advance!

Tristan
 
Puhleeze, he wants to take spent hulls on a plane to France. Better to take some other souvenier. Like a Smith and Wesson Baseball cap. Maybe a Gunshow T-shirt. Besides the spent hulls may have enough residue to trigger the "sniffer" machine. No Thanks to the cavity search. Joe
 
Don't Know About International Flights...

...but in 2000, returning home from my brother's funeral, I carried a spent 30-06 case in my pocket from his honor guard gun salute. I placed it in the tray along with my change, pocket knife, keys, and pipe lighter as I passed through the metal detector. It passed "inspection" just fine. That said, that was prior to 09/11/2001. Since then, common sense has been infringed.

Be damned careful - especially since the country he is returning to may not even allow empty cases that could be reloaded. I don't know a whole lot about French law.

I wish I hadn't read this thread. Every time I remember 09/11/2001, I get both angry and saddened at the thought of what one gun in the hands of a pilot, crew member, or passenger could have done to prevent that travesty.

This is not meant to steal the thread. It is related.

Woody

"For every power usurped by government, the People lose a right. Eventually, death or enslavement is the invariable consequence." B.E.Wood
 
Pictures would make a better momento. I don't think it's worth the hassle even if it is legal.

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...but in 2000, returning home from my brother's funeral, I carried a spent 30-06 case in my pocket from his honor guard gun salute. I placed it in the tray along with my change, pocket knife, keys, and pipe lighter as I passed through the metal detector. It passed "inspection" just fine. That said, that was prior to 09/11/2001. Since then, common sense has been infringed.

I doubt you could do that now even though there is no law against it. If I was going to try something like that I'd have a copy of the death certificate or obituary and funeral program.

Depending on what airport you went through, changed planes in, you could be in a real jam. In some places like NY and DC just having a spent round is illegal. Never rely on common sense when it comes to a government agency.
 
***. It is f***ing illegal to have a spent round....a shell casing....a piece of brass in dc and ny? :banghead: :banghead:
 
I know it's pretty ridiculous. These kinds of questions should not even have to be asked. A pen can more easily be utilized for bodily harm than a used shotgun shell.

Thanks for everyone’s advice.
 
Dunno about France, but I travel via air w/spent ammo every year.

I usu take some guns + ammo up to Idaho/Oregon on my yearly trip. I take my brass back, along with some unexpended ammo and guns. I declare everything. The fact that there are nitrates on my luggage didn't seem to faze Boise TSA, they dealt with it as an 'exception' after swabbing


Bill Wiese
San Jose
 
After looking at D.C.'s insane gun/ammunition/knife laws I can tell you that I won't be visiting any time soon.

However, I guess that all those laws are needed to keep us safe, maybe that is why we don't hear about any violent crime in the district. :cuss:
 
Last year I took various cartridge components from Colorado to the UK, in my checked luggage. Here is what I had:

1) Unfired cartridge cases where the bullets had been pulled and the propellant removed.
2) Oiled primers (made inert)
3) Intact unfired bullets (as mentioned above, pulled from the cartridge cases) in various calibres.

Here is what happened:

1) On the day before I left Colorado I had a word with the security personnel at Colorado Springs airport. I told them what I was planning to take in my checked baggage. The advice I received was that the US carriers on both legs of my trip back to the UK were happy for me to have those components in my checked baggage as long as there was no loaded ammunition and as long as the components I was transporting did not constitute a hazard to the airplane or the passengers or their belongings. I was warned that the UK authorities might confiscate the items as I arrived in London.

2) I flew from Colorado Springs to Chicago and my luggage was automatically transfered to the intercontinental plane. While I was waiting in the boarding lounge my name was called and I had to go and see security at the gate. He advised me that the components had been found on X-ray and their properties had been identified and that although the carrier was happy to let them on board in checked baggage, I might get these taken away upon arrival in London.

3) Upon arrival in London my bags came through to the carousel with no unusual deviations in handling/announcements.

4) I had nothing to declare financially. I could have just walked out. However, in situations like this it is better to declare what you have in case you have drawn attention to yourself and you are being observed because of a mistake being made in the recognition/ID of the components. So I took my bag to customs and opened it up and said "I have cartridge components here and they may have shown up on X-ray as loaded ammunition, which they are not."

5) The two people at customs had a look at the components and said "Bloody hell, mate, these are big bullets, these look nasty."

6) They could not recognise what components these were and could not tell me right there and then whether they would be taken or not. They called the special firearms cutoms experts and I had to wait for half an hour before they arrived.

7) The firearms guys had a look and basically the problem was this: several bulllets were hollow-points and therefore they are illegal to own because they are classed as expanding ammunition. They told me they would take the whole container and have all the components analysed and then they would notify me by phone within three days whether I could have all the components, some, or none. What was clear was that I was not in trouble with customs as I had declared these first.

8) I had to prove that I had a reasonable need for these items. Luckily I had my manuscript with me (almost finished) to do with gunshot wounds and related research. I provided them with some ID and let them see my research papers and I also provided them with the name and address of the individual who had rendered the primers inert in case they needed to contact him. Then I left, fully expecting to lose all the hollow-point bullets and all the cartridge cases.

9) I got a call the next day saying I could come and fetch the items. I was allowed to keep all of them! I was told something by the firearms expert at customs about the hollow-points, explaining why I got to keep them, but I have decided not to repeat that here because I don't want to aid nefarious dealings to do with these projectiles.

10) I kept the guy's name and number and the evidence tag that they used to seal the items after they examined them. Just in case someone one day asks what I am doing with these.

My opinion about shotgun cartridges: these shouldn't be a problem as long as the cartridges are fired and there is no propellant/primer left. To be extra sure, he could cut the hull once down to the head. I have several shotgun cartridge components here that I shipped in a container from SA and I had no problems at all. My feeling is that France is going to be less anal than the UK about these components, but the key is to declare what you have at both ends of the journey. Just be honest and if they take the stuff away, that's unfortunate.

But if you hide them and they get found....hoooooo booooyyyy
 
Your best bet is to check with TSA.

I don't foresee any problems with placing them in checked luggage, inasmuch as you can transport live ammo in checked luggage. Just be sure to tell the TSA and airline folks about it when you check in. Would be a good idea to place them in some sort of hard container so some idiot inspector who doesn't realize they're harmless doesn't have a brain hemmorhage over them possibly detonating if they jostle against something in the luggage! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
It might be better for him to ship them home before he leaves The States, then if there is some sort of issue with them it won't interrupt his flight (even if he's just detained for a bit he could miss a connecting flight or have to endure a strip search, etc).
 
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