FN Five-seveN 5.7X28mm

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Also, tests like shooting into wet phone books will likely show that a 5.7 round penetrates further then a 9mm or 45 bullet. However phone books, and light body armor always show that a small diameter pointy bullet is better at penetrating, especially when its a FMJ 5.7 round vs a expanding 9mm or .45 round. This doesn't mean that the 5.7 will work better in tissue though. The 195lf round is in the mid 9 inch penetration area in ballistics gel, most 9mm and .45 acp rounds are well above that. Its likely that the phone books help keep the rounds from tumbling which will increase the penetration at an expense of the cavity created by the tumbling action.

Considering the expense of the gun (900+ in most cases) the lack of ammo at reasonable prices (and availability at local places) and the comparisons to the 9mm its my opinion that the 5.7 pistol just isn't worth the money. You can get a glock 17 (or similar type pistol) with 1K rounds of practice ammo, and 200 rounds of good self defense ammo for the same price as just the 5.7 pistol. Your dealing with a caliber (9mm) that will achieve 12 to 15 inches of penetration at a 9mm diameter bullet in the event of no expansion, and even more if it expands. Same thing can be said for the .45acp. Relying on a bullet tumbling to cause a serious wound is even more of a variable then trying to rely on the expansion of a round to provide wounding.

If fn puts the price of the five seven pistol down to about 500$, increases the availability of practice ammo at decent prices, and had factory made ammo thats available to everyone thats capable of 12.5 inches + of penetration (With tumbling) they might just have a hot ticket. Instead you have to sacrifice to much and you really can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
I dont know, would you use a 45 or 9mm on an angery bear?
When I lived in maine I got a super red hawk in 44mag for 4 legged trouble makers.
My little step brother started useing a 3x9 scoped 22WMR to hunt deer with when he was 12. So far every year he has killed his limit (one) for the last 4 years with his little marlin rifle. In maine its perfectly legal to use 22WMR on deer. So it works good and there is all most no ruined meat like you get with a 270 firing 120gr HP.
 
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If fn puts the price of the five seven pistol down to about 500$,
like many of the the other polymer guns.

Yea, those were my thoughts too when I saw the price the first time.
 
The five seven is an excellent handgun. It comes with 3 20 round magazines. It is accurate out of the box even for less experienced people. It is $800-$1000 for the gun itself. The ammo is $18-$25 a box of 50. There are makers of high end ammo; specifically, elite ammunition, whose ammo is much hotter than ANY factory loads and are $35-$45 a box of 50.

This is information coming from someone who owns a few guns, including multiples of this one.

I would feel safe with this gun in my hands for any normal task (except bears you nuts!:neener:). It is especially effective as a car gun for women, due to the low recoil and high ammo capacity.

I do not conceal carry this gun unless wearing winter coats. I also carry 10mm, 45acp, 357 sig & mag, 44mag, etc. (no not all at once:D).

In summary,
The gun costs the same as MANY others, H&K, Kimber, some Sigs, etc. As a first gun or new addition it would be fine, as long as you have something. As always there are those who nay say when they have no true experience with a firearm. To these people I say: Don't buy one, don't cry about one, be happy with what you have, and I'll be happy with my mine. But just like the 327mag, if you don't like it for whatever reason, use what you do have and try not to be an expert on being an ass.:evil:
 
The one I saw in a gun shop had a magazine safely AND two detents for the magazine. In the first position the gun would not fire or pickup rounds. In the second one, everthing worked. When inserting the mag, the mag would seem to be fully inserted when it was in the first position. It is a fine range toy or plinker, but I would never trust my life to a weapon like this.

I fired one at the range and it was reasonably accurate and had almost no recoil. The word about stopping power is that it has none. I'd rather carry a 22LR J-frame for self defense.

25ACP: When 5.7x28mm is not enough.
 
alistaire The one I saw in a gun shop had a magazine safely AND two detents for the magazine. In the first position the gun would not fire or pickup rounds. In the second one, everthing worked. When inserting the mag, the mag would seem to be fully inserted when it was in the first position. It is a fine range toy or plinker, but I would never trust my life to a weapon like this.

I fired one at the range and it was reasonably accurate and had almost no recoil. The word about stopping power is that it has none. I'd rather carry a 22LR J-frame for self defense.

25ACP: When 5.7x28mm is not enough.
Stick to your 22lr kid. Just like your opinion on the 327mag, if you don't own it/ like it it's not good enough. Sounds like the morons debating the ps3 & xbox 360.

Use whatever you feel is good enough. Im sure people complained about those new fangled cars vs horse/ cartridge vs muzzleloader/ plastic guns (glock) vs 1911, but if you own one its the right one. I own them all. Its because people are willing to purchase the niche items that some advancements are made on the rest.

Id rather base my purchase on the pros/cons of an educated shooter instead of one with an opinion on any and everything he cant afford.
 
The FBI decided against the 57 as a standard issue weapon because of it's lack of penetration. Tactical teams like the round because they don't have to worry as much about collateral damage when doing a felony entry.

The 57 would be my primary carry if not for the sheer size.

Gun test mag did an extensive review in 07 I think??

BTW I can't find any of the armor defeating ammo - I think it's 28 grain but I'll have to try and find my old gun test mag to be sure.
 
I think it's great fun to shoot and I have no issue about carrying it, except it's a bit large.

If I had the $ for only 1 auto I'd buy a Sig instead of the FN but I am lucky enough to have more than one.

I hope to start reloading for it soon.

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The only problem I've had out of mine was some old blue tip ammo that was a known bad batch for the pistol(worked fine in ps90).

Ballistically I have no personal experience, just what I've read on various forums. There is a guy I saw a couple years ago on the fiveseven forums that would hunt deer with his FiveseveN pistol and had no issues killing them in one hit.


Too those of you complaining about it's lack of stopping power, isn't the popular reply to most of those caliber arguments:
"It's all about bullet placement!"?
 
Loki,

Is every gun we purchase based on one principle or percieved "need"? Do they all have to have monsterous stopping power?

Initially, yes. After you have at least one firearm, the cost of ammo usually drives us to buy a 22lr of some sort.

However, the "word is", "I hear", "seems like" don't mean a thing. Hearsay is just that, hearsay.

Beyond the rumor mill, you will find the 57 outperforms others in some ways, and underperforms in others.

You will find ammo that is for sale to us all that outperforms ALL FACTORY ammo. You can reload the same. People cannot comprehend this.

I say again, if you have some reason to dislike any firearm, move along until you find one you like.

I like the ones that work, and they all serve a purpose. It is an enjoyable pastime, and you don't have to like anything someone else has, but they are not an idiot for liking it.

It is all the same, and we are all enthusiasts. Respect others choices as you expect them to respect yours.
 
Is every gun we purchase based on one principle or percieved "need"?

This is a good point. I think the most useful guns in my collection are the most versatile. The one that floats to the top of the list is my 44mag - I have 6 different loads for it depending on who is shooting it and what the target is.

The Five-seveN does seem to be fairly focused in it's purpose, which is why I threw this question out there to you guys. I was hoping to see what you guys used it for. With a 40gr bullet I probably wouldn't use it for bear (but I DO have a 44mag load that I have designed for that purpose :D).

Seems like the best use for it would be a carry gun, especially for the wife. The recoil would be ideal if it's comparable to a 22WMR. She can hold the 44 steady and handle the recoil of 44spl loads, the 9mm is a bit jumpy for her to be accurate with, and she likes my 22LR/22WMR's. This sounds like a good compromise. Please note I am NOT calling this a chick gun!

Thanks for all the input!

-MW

I don't think you'll have any luck here. I don't think any THR members have an opinion on the Five-seveN or the 5.7x28mm cartridge...

Just kidding. I'd get some popcorn going.

Kind of Blued - Good call on the popcorn! :D
 
I hate the 5.7x28! I would never want to own any gun that fires that pathetic round:D

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Seriously I really do like the 5.7x28 and I really love the guns that fire it, that's why I own both, they are just so much fun. The cost of ammo is a big turnoff for many people but in reality it's not all that expensive. I just picked up a thousand rounds of 5.7 for $405 (including shipping) which came out to be about .40¢ a round or $20 per box of fifty. The way I see it fifty rounds of equivalent grade .223 is going to cost more than .40¢ per round. Midway has V-Max 5.7x28 for $22 a box, that comes out to about $8.80 per twenty rounds, in comparison twenty rounds of V-Max .223 is selling for about $15 a box.
 
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I know it's cliche to say this, but I'm pretty darned sure that I don't want to be the test subject for this round's 'stopping power'. :eek:
 
I would not want to be attacked by a parrot, but that does not mean that a parrot would be my first choice for a self defense weapon.
 
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