FN SCAR 17s or LaRue PredatAR

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As far as SCAR vs. AR-10 platform, I'd pick the SCAR hands down.

500 rounds of crappy Malaysian surplus ammunition, and the entire operating mechanism looked as clean as when I started out.

They just don't get dirty.

Mine has proven 100% reliable with zero malfunctions over the first 2500 rounds, regardless of the grade of ammo I throw in it (cheap surplus or tuned reloads).
 
Yeah, the factory SCAR stock doesn't fit me very well either. It doesn't adjust quite long enough, so when I get a good cheek weld in a kneeling, seated, or prone position, my face ends up against the sling loop at the back of the receiver. If I got a SCAR, I'd have to do something different for the stock like you did, Trent. Is that a Vltor stock adapter? It looks like the same adapter type setup I used to have on my M-14 when I had a Vltor Modstock on it.

FWIW it's not just the SCAR... I have this issue with most AR collapsible stocks, too. I had to go to a Magpul ACS on my AR carbines to be able to reach a comfortable length for prone shooting. Even on my Magpul fixed stocks I had to use the extra thick butt pad to get it right. Basically the length of an A2 stock is just right for me. Any time I shoot one of my buddies' scoped rifles the scope is way too far to the rear for me. I am not a particularly large or long-necked guy, either. I just don't think most rifles are designed or set up to be fired from traditional field positions.
 
G.barnes said:
I might be misunderstanding what you said but it sounds like your not interested in anything unless its in that price range. If that's the case go with the scar. Personally I think a lot of these 308 ar's are over priced. I'm not saying there isn't a difference between a dpms and an lmt. I'm saying I don't see a 1500 dollar difference.
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No...sorry for the confusion, but I was considering the SCAR 17S, so to keep things kinda relevant, price wise, I looked at AR10 types in that price Range.
I already own these AR 15's from these companies...so I know who makes good stuff...

KAC (Knight's) SR 15
LWRC M6 6.8SPC
Daniel Defense DDM4 V1 Carbine
Daniel Defense DDM4 V7 "Bronze" Mid-Length
KAC LOWER + Daniel Defense UPPER .300 AAC BLK
Daniel Defense 5.56 UPPER + Anderson LOWER
Ambush AR15 (D.D.) 5.56
Ambush AR15 .300 AAC Blackout
Colt LE6920 "GOLD Anodized Receiver & FDE MOE
Sig Sauer 516 Patrol
CMMG "Universal Caliber" AR15 .22LR
S&W AR15 .22LR

Just wanted a 7.62 / .308 now.
Ended up ordering the Ruger SR 762 , today, half the cost...some features I liked, similar to SCAR, that is PISTON & Regulator for various ammo loads...
money saved = good OPTICS

But thanks to ALL for the feedback !
;)
 
Scar 17

The current SCAR setup I have, seems to fit my all around needs. I had all the similar complaints as others. The trigger sucked And the boot style stock, (although extremely functional with this overall weapons platform), not my preference.
With the SCAR 25 billet lower receiver I was able to use the PMAGS I was familiar with and add any AR style handgrip I wanted. I also installed the Timney trigger to my setup. The PRS stock works better for me too. But the old stock can be switched out very quickly.
Also, the reciprocating bolt was not a problem for me. I've had a lot of experience with the AK platform as well, so I was used to this. No balance issues with the bolt design and function as far as shooting performance is concerned.
Bottom line.......this BMF is a machine. I've had 3 different sets of optics on this SCAR. Eotech 556 with 3X magnifier, a NF 3.5x15x50 and the current NF 1x4x24. Scar performed well with all 3 set ups.

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The current SCAR setup I have, seems to fit my all around needs. I had all the similar complaints as others. The trigger sucked And the boot style stock, (although extremely functional with this overall weapons platform), not my preference.
With the SCAR 25 billet lower receiver I was able to use the PMAGS I was familiar with and add any AR style handgrip I wanted. I also installed the Timney trigger to my setup. The PRS stock works better for me too. But the old stock can be switched out very quickly.
Also, the reciprocating bolt was not a problem for me. I've had a lot of experience with the AK platform as well, so I was used to this. No balance issues with the bolt design and function as far as shooting performance is concerned.
Bottom line.......this BMF is a machine. I've had 3 different sets of optics on this SCAR. Eotech 556 with 3X magnifier, a NF 3.5x15x50 and the current NF 1x4x24. Scar performed well with all 3 set ups.

Sorry for the long post. It's my first one. I hope the picture loaded.










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Glad you like your SCAR...sounds great...
...but @ $2,600-2,800. , I just could not get over that the trigger is kinda CRAP...and I now need to spend $300. to put in a good trigger.Then there is that reciprocating charging handle...ok, I saw where there is a replacement for that, that eliminates that movement...
...but, I dunno. Then there was the expensive proprietary FN SCAR mags, and some hate the stock?
I went with the Ruger SR762...and it's trigger is likewise heavy, but at HALF the cost, well Geissele SSA-E here I come...also uses P-Mags, and 4 way gas Regulator.
I like it.
Made sure the serial # was HIGHER than 561-04200 = 2014, mine is over -08800
..."tweaked by Ruger & no longer issues with the GEN3 P-Mags.
 
When I bought my SCAR17S, I paid $1950 for it. (2011)

They never recovered in price after SH/2012 - they stayed elevated. (part of this was also due to FNH setting "MAP" policies on sales - minimum advertised price. If you advertise a SCAR at less than MAP, they can pull your dealer account. MAP for 2014 = $2,899.00; source= http://www11.davidsonsinc.com/ManufMaps/FNH-MAP-PriceList.pdf)

AR's DID recover in price, and dropped back down at or below SH/2012 price levels.

The SCAR may be cool, and has nice features. I'm sure glad I have one.

But if I were to buy at today's prices? Man. That'd be a tough call.
 
Trent said:
When I bought my SCAR17S, I paid $1950 for it. (2011)

They never recovered in price after SH/2012 - they stayed elevated. (part of this was also due to FNH setting "MAP" policies on sales - minimum advertised price. If you advertise a SCAR at less than MAP, they can pull your dealer account. MAP for 2014 = $2,899.00; source= http://www11.davidsonsinc.com/ManufMaps/FNH-MAP-PriceList.pdf)

AR's DID recover in price, and dropped back down at or below SH/2012 price levels.

The SCAR may be cool, and has nice features. I'm sure glad I have one.

But if I were to buy at today's prices? Man. That'd be a tough call.
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yeah...In the final analysis, that's what put me off it and back on the platform I'm most familiar with at a price I could feel good about...
...SR 762 + Trijicon ACOG .308 Green RET. + Geissele SSA-E = $ SCAR
 
patriot53 said:
yeah...In the final analysis, that's what put me off it and back on the platform I'm most familiar with at a price I could feel good about...
...SR 762 + Trijicon ACOG .308 Green RET. + Geissele SSA-E = $ SCAR
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Yeah no doubt man, you could get quite a lot of extra goodies on that SR762 for the same price point. By the time you drop $1500 in glass on a SCAR17S, and do other mods, it's real damn easy to hit the 5K mark.

When you get it all together and out to the range, give us a range report. I haven't read up much on those yet. (if you make a new thread mention my name somewhere in it so I can find it later, I have trouble keeping up with the volume of new threads and miss a LOT lol) :)

Also interested in hearing about that Trijicon. That's the same model I was looking at for my SCAR a while back but couldn't stomach the price at the time. (The Leupold VX-4 LR scope I toss on mine from time to time on those ARMS quick throw rings is a frigging boat anchor).

:)
 
Trent said:
Yeah no doubt man, you could get quite a lot of extra goodies on that SR762 for the same price point. By the time you drop $1500 in glass on a SCAR17S, and do other mods, it's real damn easy to hit the 5K mark.

When you get it all together and out to the range, give us a range report. I haven't read up much on those yet. (if you make a new thread mention my name somewhere in it so I can find it later, I have trouble keeping up with the volume of new threads and miss a LOT lol) :)

Also interested in hearing about that Trijicon. That's the same model I was looking at for my SCAR a while back but couldn't stomach the price at the time. (The Leupold VX-4 LR scope I toss on mine from time to time on those ARMS quick throw rings is a frigging boat anchor).

:)
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Oh...man, check out Scott @ ...he discounts most scopes, NO shipping ot Tax...GREAT communications before & AFTER the sale...good guy!

http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/en-us/contactus.html (company website) ...

...his hosted Forum on Calguns : http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=139

Liberty Optics : Hosted by Scott Berish, Owner of Liberty Optics
 
patriot53 said:
Oh...man, check out Scott @ ...he discounts most scopes, NO shipping ot Tax...GREAT communications before & AFTER the sale...good guy!

http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/en-us/contactus.html (company website) ...

...his hosted Forum on Calguns : http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=139

Liberty Optics : Hosted by Scott Berish, Owner of Liberty Optics
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Hey thanks for the tip man! I'll check 'em out. It'll be a bit before I drop any coin on "big gun purchases" since I have an FG42 on order that I still have to pay for. But at some point that Trijicon is on my short list.
 
I looked at every ar 10 I came across before I bought the ruger. I liked how the cmmg had some extra stuff like a great trigger keymod rail and muzzle break, but the reason it's the same price as the ruger is they skimped in other places. I looked at colt 901, lmt, and many many others. The ruger had good receivers, good barrel, mil spec diameter buffer tube. The only thing I'm still a little unsure if I like is the gas block. But it's purely from a cosmetic standpoint. It was the best thing I could find that by the time I bought a good optics, extra mags, great trigger, and whatever othe little thigs I wanted to change to suit me it wouldn't turn into a 5000 dollar plus rifle. My biggest thing about spending 2700 dollars on one is because most stuff doesn't interchange. So I want to take the difference and buy some spare parts from the manufacturer. Like ruger will sell you a spare bolt it's 173 dollars. With ar 15s I can buy parts from bcm,dd or any other quality company and it will work in my rifle.

I've put over 500 rounds through mine and has run great from steel case to NATO or full power 308. The chrome lining on all the parts makes cleaning it take a couple minutes. Just wipe the stuff off and re oil. The crap doesn't stick to it. I put a magpul str stock a CMC 3.5# trigger, and regular a2 flash hider. My range only goes to 100 yards but its definitely more accurate than I am. Mine came with three dpms mags but I have some gen 3 pmags and have not had any problems with them.
 
Trent said:
They never recovered in price after SH/2012 - they stayed elevated. (part of this was also due to FNH setting "MAP" policies on sales - minimum advertised price. If you advertise a SCAR at less than MAP, they can pull your dealer account.
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First noticed that with computer parts..doesn't make sense to me...why wouldn't the manufacturers want more to sell? They set the dealer price...
 
G.barnes said:
I looked at every ar 10 I came across before I bought the ruger. I liked how the cmmg had some extra stuff like a great trigger keymod rail and muzzle break, but the reason it's the same price as the ruger is they skimped in other places. I looked at colt 901, lmt, and many many others. The ruger had good receivers, good barrel, mil spec diameter buffer tube. The only thing I'm still a little unsure if I like is the gas block. But it's purely from a cosmetic standpoint. It was the best thing I could find that by the time I bought a good optics, extra mags, great trigger, and whatever othe little thigs I wanted to change to suit me it wouldn't turn into a 5000 dollar plus rifle. My biggest thing about spending 2700 dollars on one is because most stuff doesn't interchange. So I want to take the difference and buy some spare parts from the manufacturer. Like ruger will sell you a spare bolt it's 173 dollars. With ar 15s I can buy parts from bcm,dd or any other quality company and it will work in my rifle.

I've put over 500 rounds through mine and has run great from steel case to NATO or full power 308. The chrome lining on all the parts makes cleaning it take a couple minutes. Just wipe the stuff off and re oil. The crap doesn't stick to it. I put a magpul str stock a CMC 3.5# trigger, and regular a2 flash hider. My range only goes to 100 yards but its definitely more accurate than I am. Mine came with three dpms mags but I have some gen 3 pmags and have not had any problems with them.
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NICE...good to hear, mine is on-the-way...can't wait:cool:
 
HOOfan_1 said:
First noticed that with computer parts..doesn't make sense to me...why wouldn't the manufacturers want more to sell? They set the dealer price...
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Yeah no idea. I imagine it's to try to keep the price from bottoming out on them. PS90 prices dropped hard and fast back in the late 2000's. They were originally close to 2k and now MAP is in the $1200's. Same with the FNH FN AR; those dropped significantly after introduction too.

MAP just means you can't publish print advertising below a certain amount, doesn't mean you can't sell them for whatever. E.g. Sheels in Springfield IL has two FN-AR's on the shelf for $999. MAP on those is $1499.
 
Oh, so that's where that stupid "price too low to print" stuff comes from; I always figured it to be a cheap gimmick. Instead it's price fixing to, I assume, protect favored distributors or something? Not sure why you wouldn't want people you sell lots of guns to, to be able to sell as many as possible at whatever price the market desires, but whatever. FNH has an 'odd' relationship with civilian sales already, so it doesn't surprise me all that much.

TCB
 
I have the FN Scar 17 in FDE that I am extremely happy with. The factory standard trigger is by no means a match trigger, but it still is usable. I've had AR triggers that were worse.

The "problem" with the 17 is that it is ridiculously accurate for a battle rifle chambered carbine length rifle. This makes you want a great trigger in an attempt to wring out even more accuracy. I easily get 1" groups at 100 using Privi 168gr ammo.

If things go south for us and we have another ban or panic, there are far fewer 17s in civilian hands than there are .308 AR pattern rifles.
 
Just edited my OP...to include ANY AR10 "type" Rifle without the long lag time of the LaRue ... and between $2700 to $3,000.
vs. the FN SCAR 17s
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Got in late on this thread, but I'd skip the Scar 17S.

I handle one when I went thru this drill way back when, and while the Scar is nice and light the proprietary & expensive mags killed it for me.

I wanted a 7.62/.308 rifle on the AR10-pattern that was *relatively* light but which took the SR25-type mags, e.g., Magpuls, which are readily available and reasonably priced (as of this post, anyway).

Within your stated price range, and as I had experience with LMT's 5.56mm MRP system, the choice became easy: the MRP LW8, which is the "light-weight" version of the MWS. Both will shoot accurately and run reliably with either commercial .308 or surplus 7.62, and perhaps a confidence builder along the way was the fact that the Brit military chose the 7.62 MWS for general issue over several competitors. By the way, there was no "time lag" when I ordered it, other than shipping time.

As ordered, my LW8 came with the 16" C/L barrel, but I also ordered the 18 SS tube (w/ 11.25 twist) because it was available at the time and I saved a bit on shipping.

Pic below is from a Precision Rifle course. I had it set-up in SPR mode with the 18" barrel, a Leupy Mk6 1-6x 34mm scope in an ADM mount, and a CTR w/ RISR cheepiece. Though not in the pic, a Harris bipod on an ADM Q.D. mount was also part of the configuration. In this set-up it's not light, trust me :eek: , but between the Leupy 1-6x and the Giesele SSA-E trigger, I got awesome accuracy out to 300yds, the farthest I shot it.

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