Former Marine expelled from University of Tampa for gun posession

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A student and former Marine was expelled from the school I attend, the University of Tampa. Here is the story the school paper, "The Minaret" published.

http://media.www.theminaretonline.c...Student.Discusses.Gun.Violation-2978236.shtml

A combat veteran who was kicked out of school for storing a gun in his dorm room has broken his silence.

In an exclusive interview, the former senior told his side of the story.

During the half hour interview, which was granted under the condition of anonymity, the student admitted guilt.

"I was in the wrong and the school had every right to expel me," he said, while quickly adding that the gun was legally registered.

He further explained that this incident resulted from ongoing family conflict that left him kicked out of the family home this summer.

Left with no place to store his firearms, the 29-year-old said he was forced to sell two rifles and a handgun, but decided to keep one limited-edition Colt .45 in his Austin Hall room temporarily.

Knowing he could not have weapons on campus, the student expressed intentions of bringing the gun to his cousin's house within the next week.

But before he could relocate the weapon, UT security officers and TPD converged on his room.

They were acting on an anonymous tip that the former Marine thinks came from the only student he showed his gun.

A Military Man

Last week, officers found the Colt .45 and many knives in the man's Austin Hall room. The former student was summarily suspended from classes after the discovery.

The 29-year-old has a connection with weaponry, being a former ROTC student.

"As a part of our training and leader development, we do emphasize familiarity with Army weapons," said Patrick O'Sullivan, Professor of Military Science at UT.

The transfer student was enrolled in ROTC during summer 2006. He was properly screened to make sure he was adequate material for the Army. His cadet status was stripped from him in April 2007 because of a medical condition.

"I think [he] took his disenrollment in stride. Given that it was a medical diagnosis, I believe he was more concerned with his health than anything," O'Sullivan said.

Weapons are banned from UT; therefore, ROTC follows this guideline strictly.

"UT Army ROTC cadets are UT students, so all UT policies apply to them. If students/cadets violate UT policy, then yes they can suffer all the usual possible consequences like any student," O'Sullivan added.

Family Troubles

The student spoke of a shaky history with his family. After graduation from high school, he joined the Marines for seven years. Although his parents encouraged him to join the Army, he said they did not approve of his enlistment with the Marines.

"Everything that led up to this incident stems from my family," he said.

As a sergeant, he said that he worked with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, detecting and neutralizing them.

He told Minaret reporters of his first six months of the Second Gulf War in Kuwait and then working his way past Baghdad. He also said that he spent over two years in Japan and was stationed at bases in North Carolina and California.

The student said that after being honorably discharged from the marines, he decided to try and enter the CIA, FBI and police forces. He said that his parents did not feel he was adequate to enter such fields, so he decided to receive his degree in Government and World Affairs at UT. He said that he went against his parents' wishes and entered the ROTC program

UT After War

When asked about the impact of war he stated, "It made me open my eyes a little bit more and made me look around more." He declined to comment on his experiences with combat in Iraq.

During the first six months back, he experienced nightmares about the war, but the dreams have since subsided.

While in the ROTC program freshman year, the student felt his attitude change about UT. After dealing with noisy roommates along with waking early in the morning for PT practice, he said he was moved to a new room.

Being sleep deprived, he said, "I had never felt that bad except when I was in Iraq." He spoke of feeling punished after being moved to a new room by Residence Life. He recalled former neighbors causing the noise saying he needed psychological help because of the impact of war.

"If I had really been psycho, those people who caused all of the noise, I wouldn't have killed them, but they would have been in the hospital," he said.

His disgust about the room change left him bitter towards the University.

"From that point forward, I cared less about whether or not getting my degree at the University of Tampa."

Why guns?

The student said that he started purchasing guns, all of which were and are registered to him, for self-defense reasons.

"Its like that old saying, 'I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it,'" he said. He claimed that the gun never left his dorm room.

He said that he showed one student his gun possession on campus after she asked him for advice on purchasing a concealed weapon for herself.

A few days later, upon entering his Austin hall room, he saw his door was cracked open and looked inside to find security searching his belongings.

"When I opened the door and saw security, I was speechless," he said. After Safety and Security escorted him off campus, the investigation has ended and the former Marine said he is effectively expelled from UT. He said he has no prior arrests.

Currently, the student said he is talking with Marine Corps recruiters for re-entry in either infantry or explosive ordinance disposal. Confident he'll receive approval from doctors, he is set to sign for at least four years of service. The senior also plans to finish his Bachelor degree during his military service.
 
Well you know how unstable combat veterans can be. I think we should take all combat veterans and put them into work camps, perhaps building a magnificent railroad or something, just so that our vulnerable and blissfully naive public won't have to be exposed to such unpleasentness.

Man, who would want to have a gun anyway? With that kind of firepower, he could have easily surpassed the University of Texas shooter (which thankfully the police single-handedly brought to a stop without too much loss of human-resourc.... err... citizens).

I think, comrades, that we should all do good to remember that
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
 
They were acting on an anonymous tip that the former Marine thinks came from the only student he showed his gun.

There was his problem. Regardless of what the rule is, if you're breaking it, it is hardly a good idea to advertise it.

Its not hard to get away with having a gun in your dorm room. It is when you advertise that you have it.
 
An irony in this story is that the University of Tampa campus includes the old Tampa Bay Hotel, a magnificent structure built in 1891 by Henry Plant. Plant supported the Cuban exiles of that generation who wanted to overthrow the island's Spanish government.

When the Spanish-American War began in 1898 the Tampa Bay Hotel became the headquarters for officers awaiting the signal to embark for Cuba. Theodore Roosevelt was among them. The grounds near the Tampa Bay Hotel were used as staging areas for American troops that went off to fight that war for Cuba's liberation from Spain, including the Rough Riders.

And every single one of those military men had firearms--rifles as well as handguns--with them in, around, and near that hotel.

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Before and after the Spanish-American War, guests of the Tampa Bay Hotel engaged in hunting wild game as one of the entertainments for which the hotel was noted while Plant owned it. The guests used guns.

I don't mean to excuse that Marine for violating the university's rules, only to reflect on the irony of a beautiful old building that once was a symbol of liberty but now is symbolic of a university's values.

(The photo above is from the University's Henry B. Plant Museum in the Tampa Bay Hotel. It shows the Rough Riders embarking for Cuba from Port Tampa.)
 
Remember kids the only way to keep a secret is to tell one person and immediatly kill them. But seriously, showing a gun to anybody in a dorm for any reason is STUPID! If he had showed them a stash of weed then it would have been no problem.
 
What you don't ask, don't tell, and don't show...others won't know. This ain't kinnygarden...we don't do "Show & Tell" with firearms. I'll be durned...perhaps there is something to that concept.

On the Constitutional side, it's unadulterated horse doodoo that a man or woman cannot possess their firearms, especially safely stored on campus. I had my firearm on campus when we lived in married housing, during doctoral school. But, you can be darned certain I never spoke of it...period.
 
"I was in the wrong and the school had every right to expel me," he said, while quickly adding that the gun was legally registered.

The student said that he started purchasing guns, all of which were and are registered to him, for self-defense reasons.
Granted, having to fill out a 4473 makes firearms purchased from a dealer traceable, but why must the media (and gun owners) perpetuate this myth about registration (in free states like Florida)? It makes the unknowledgeable masses assume that it is "normal" and acceptable.
 
I'm just glad Tampa PD was there to keep everyone safe. Could you imagine what someone could do in a dorm with a gun? We must keep them out of dorms. If only Virginia Tech Police would have been so on top of things... :rolleyes:

Seriously, I spent 4 years at the University of Florida and that's one of the main reasons I didn't live on campus. To me, he is probably one of the most qualified people in the dorm to have the gun. We really need to change that law. Guns should not be prohibited on any campus- End of story.
 
They were acting on an anonymous tip that the former Marine thinks came from the only student he showed his gun.

Besides the legalities, if you are going to knowingly skirt the edge of the law, or even break it outright, it is best not to tell anyone.
 
"I was in the wrong and the school had every right to expel me," he said

While I don't agree with the school's policy, it is nice to have someone take personal responsibility for their actions. So rare these days, it seems.
 
"Legally registered." Another tour de force for our insightful, fact-checking news media. If they continue to reveal themselves to be this Butt-Stupid regarding firearms, there will come a time when I'll have to check out the bedroom window to confirm it if they report that the sun rose in the East this morning.
 
Freelance writer here.

Even if I wrote a piece that was technically accurate, the editor would "pinch" the sentences to shrink the word count. It's happened to me before with newsprint articles on technical subjects like motorcycles and such.

A sentence that reads like:
"I was in the wrong and the school had every right to expel me," he said, "but the weapon was purchased by me and all the appropriate ATF forms were filled out at the time of purchase. There would be no problem for authorities to verify that the weapon was mine."

can easily, and necessarily (for an editor), get pinched to:
"I was in the wrong and the school had every right to expel me," he said, while quickly adding that the gun was legally registered.

The editor thinks nothing of it, and countless gunnies shake their heads in disgust and write letters of clarification that sound angry, indignant, and play into the gun nut stereotypes.

But, if the editor does this enough times, they feel the story is reported and they've saved enough column inches to sell another ad.

This is why I'm getting a crminal justice degree and transitioning into being a part-time writer for magazines and print features while working in the private sector of CJ.

As for the article's subject matter: It's pretty basic law to understand that he was in the wrong. He even admitted it. But, that doesn't make it right.

I've been trying to come up with a way to protest my school's policies, but can't come up with anything that won't make me look like Andrew Meyer.
"Don't Taze Me Bro!" :D
 
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