Former neo-Nazi charged in gun deals says he meant to get caught

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Supremacist_Arrested.html

SEATTLE -- A former neo-Nazi told a jury Monday that he sold machine guns to a federal informant because he knew he'd be arrested and that his trial would provide a forum for challenging gun control laws - a claim that drew quiet chuckles from prosecutors.

"It was something I could do for my country, something my children could remember me by," Keith D. Gilbert testified as his weeklong trial concluded in U.S. District Court.

Gilbert, 66, once an aide to Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler, is charged with 12 counts of gun violations, including possession of machine guns and dealing in firearms without a license. He allegedly sold two automatic and two semi-automatic weapons owned or built by friends to a government informant, and he had dozens of guns in his home - some registered, some not - when agents raided it in February 2005.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrew Friedman told jurors that Gilbert was a small-time gun trafficker whose motive was making at least a few hundred dollars from each sale. The claim that he was trying to make himself a "Second Amendment martyr" was a surprise, Friedman told Judge Marsha Pechman.

He and fellow prosecutor Andy Colasurdo quickly put together a rebuttal case, recalling four witnesses to dispute Gilbert's claims. The prosecutors argued that if Gilbert wanted to be arrested, he could simply have called police and told them to look in his basement, where he kept five of his own machine guns.

"He could have gone out there and stood on a soap box on the corner and talked about the Second Amendment. That's not what he did," Friedman said. "He's a firearms trafficker selling these guns for profit."

Gilbert served five years in prison in California in the 1960s for possessing 1,400 pounds of stolen dynamite that was found in his Los Angeles apartment. Authorities said at the time and Gilbert later admitted that the dynamite was part of a plot to kill the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

He moved to northern Idaho in the early 1970s and joined the Aryan Nations before splitting off to found his own neo-Nazi group. He served several years in prison in Idaho for welfare fraud and intimidating black children, including spitting on a mentally retarded black girl, before moving to Seattle, where he managed run-down apartments in the University District.

Gilbert's current legal troubles stem partly from some advice he gave to a friend who was down on his luck several years ago: Try working as a paid informant. Gilbert said he thought the man would rat out the meth dealers living in the apartments Gilbert managed.

Instead, the newly minted informant told federal agents Gilbert was involved in gun dealing. With money provided by the government, he bought four guns from Gilbert in 2003 and 2004.

Gilbert testified that he sold the first rifle "immediately expecting to be arrested. Nothing happened."

"A little after that I sold him a second rifle. Nothing happened. ... There was no doubt in my mind I was doing what I set out to do; it was just taking a long time."

The jury, which has not heard details of Gilbert's racist past because of concerns about bias, began deliberating Monday afternoon. After the jurors return a verdict, there will be a separate proceeding on whether Gilbert is guilty of being a felon in possession of a firearm; details of his previous convictions would arise during that hearing.

Because Gilbert's past felony convictions are so old, they would not be used to calculate his guideline sentencing range if convicted. He would face five to six years in prison.

The man who built two machine guns for Gilbert to sell, Sergey Zarodnyuk, has pleaded guilty and testified against Gilbert.

Gilbert also told jurors Monday that federal agents handcuffed his 10-year-old grandchild during the raid of his home. Prosecutors said they don't believe Gilbert has any grandchildren, and that at any rate no children were handcuffed.

Gilbert's lawyer, Walter Palmer, said during a break in court that his client is no longer a white supremacist. "He's a Second Amendment guy," Palmer said.:cuss: :banghead: :fire: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :fire: :fire: :banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :cuss:
 
I want to support him. I really do.

Why is it whenever a good chance to reappeal some bad gun laws goes to court the defendant is bad? We have had a bootlegger, a whole bunch of neo nazis, and people who blow up buildings trying to make an argument for us.

Everytime I see someone being charged with some sort of weapons charges they are a felon or also being charged with something like robbery, murder, rape, drug trafficing, or something else felonious. Perhaps our best bet was the handicapped lady who shot the mugger in Harlem. But they chose not to charge her.
 
"five years in prison in California in the 1960s for possessing 1,400 pounds of stolen dynamite that was found in his Los Angeles apartment"

:what:
 
Tecumseh
Why is it whenever a good chance to reappeal some bad gun laws goes to court the defendant is bad?
Probably because the odds are so bad that only criminal dummies will risk it. Would YOU buy/sell an illegal gun, just to get standing in a trial that could cost you prison time, and your gun rights for the rest of your life?
 
He allegedly sold two automatic and two semi-automatic weapons owned or built by friends to a government informant, and he had dozens of guns in his home - some registered, some not - when agents raided it in February 2005.

This guy had some felony convictions. Didn't anyone run a background check on him when he "registered" them?:confused:
 
This guy had some felony convictions. Didn't anyone run a background check on him when he "registered" them?
I bet the purchases were made prior to NICS, and the paperwork was fudged.
 
Registerd ? I'm thinking they meant Class 3 weapons since there is no state laws on registering weapons here in WA . It was a big deal when this case first hit the news .
 
I bet the purchases were made prior to NICS, and the paperwork was fudged.

You might lose that bet. :D

I had a Concealed Carry Permit issued to me back in the early 80s while there was a false felony conviction on my records. It wasn't discovered for almost 20 years. In the mean time I bought my current "arsenal" filling out all the papers.

They're government workers. It's not like they actually have to work to earn your money.
 
This stooge got caught dealing illegal weapons and then claims he is doing it for the good of all gun owners. Well isn't he just a hero. Yeah right I don't need a nazi for a hero. Just look where the neo nazi's have taken themselves and their followers.
 
Sometimes I wonder if they offer people like that a reduced sentance just for aligning themselves with the pro 2a movement.

"Well sir, we see that you are a racist, terrorist, puppy torturing, child molester with prior convictions for trying to murder the pope at a daycare center.... How would you like to become a spokesman for the other side? We'll knock ten years off your sentance."
 
More than likely if the prosecutor and judge are gun-haters. Kind of like an all-Aryan Willie Horton :rolleyes:
 
Gilbert was convicted Wednesday. Could get 15 years in the pokey.

Anyone want the full real deal on this guy should google his name "Keith Gilbert Seattle" and just have yourself a good read.

The most astonishing thing about this guy is his ability to actually convince some people on the gun rights side that he really WAS doing this to further the cause.
 
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