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No, but I know it can happen with guns like the AR 15 and Makarov with their free floating firing pin.



How?
Have you ever personally seen this, or know anyone that has? ARs and Makarovs are not the only weapons with free-floating firing pins, and I've never personally seen or heard of it happening, and have only read second- and third-hand accounts on the internet, with the common theory being super-sensitive or improperly seated primers.


Personally, I'm not buying that as something that has even a remote possibility of happening without some other factor coming into play.
 
Actually, I thought you meant getting the barrel hot enough to cook off rounds.
 
How in the world would one know that a round is to the point of "going off next chambering"? Can it happen? Yes. Can you predict when to that degree? I doubt it.
I've fired a lot of auto weapons while in the Army, and it was only fun for me when someone else was paying for the ammo!
 
So the answer is "no".
I'm going to go with this as well. I don't see it as being a valid concern with today's primers.


Next time I get bored, I will chamber a primed piece of brass in an AR15 over and over and see if I can get it to fire... if it does, I'll be sure to make a post about it...
 
I have read that, and quite frankly, I'm not buying it.


Just for fun, I just spent the last few minutes chambering a primed .223 case in the same AR-15 rifle over and over again, just to see if it would ignite. After 20 times, the primer did not ignite. It DID however, ignite when I pulled the trigger. This was with a CCI 450 primer.

So my opinion on this matter is that it will not happen.


If you don't believe me, maybe this weekend I will make a video of this and post it up for all to see...
 
So my opinion on this matter is that it will not happen.


Slam fires in AR-pattern rifles are not unheard of. While it's never happened to me, I know people who've had it happen, and have witnessed slam fires on two separate ocassions, once at a High Power match and once at a 3 Gun match.

I'm told that the culprit is usually ammunition that has been loaded with a light primer that hasn't been fully seated.
 
Slam fires in AR-pattern rifles are not unheard of. While it's never happened to me, I know people who've had it happen, and have witnessed slam fires on two separate ocassions, once at a High Power match and once at a 3 Gun match.

I'm told that the culprit is usually ammunition that has been loaded with a light primer that hasn't been fully seated.
I'm not saying that slamfires aren't unheard of, as that is not the initial point. My point is that you're not going to get a typical, off-the-shelf round of ammunition to fire simply by chambering it over and over in a weapon with a free-floating firing pin.
 
Which was also my point. He continues to not answer the question and misdirects us elsewhere when we ask. That's all.
If you let crud build up in your bolt and it causes the firing pin to be held forward, it will discharge. Cycling a round over and over to the point that it will "go off next loading" then doing it for a full mag as he suggests, is ludicrous.
 
Which was also my point. He continues to not answer the question and misdirects us elsewhere when we ask. That's all.
If you let crud build up in your bolt and it causes the firing pin to be held forward, it will discharge. Cycling a round over and over to the point that it will "go off next loading" then doing it for a full mag as he suggests, is ludicrous.

I was just reminded of this thread when I chambered a round in my AK 74. It had a slight dent in the primer. Did your tests result in a dented primer?
 
Lots folks who have put full auto clips on the youtube are not in the US or in any country that strictly prohibits full auto weapon. However, there may also be an element of shear ignorance on part of folks who are in the US (or similar full auto restricted countries) that have placed such clips without thinking of consequences. May be nothing will happen, and may be they will run into some one who has tendency to report such action based on personal grudge, habit or being an anti-gun lobby. Personally, I would not want to associate with anyone from said categories.

It is a fine line when we speak of these actions because on one hand we are asking innocent questions and yet on the other hand we are giving undue attention to the subject that becomes fuel for the 'anti' group regardless of the fact the information for them is already there.

It is my 'personal' view that we should leave these issues as is, and let the river run its course. Educational discussion on ownership of legal firearms is good, but that should be without pointing out specific instances and should be in neutrality. This is just how I feel. I know it is very subjective view, but I fear that one fine day we will see 'antis' prevail and make it difficult for one to even own a legal weapon. That is there goal. They are unconcerned with sports, hunting, collection, or SD/HD aspects of the arguments; and it is very difficult to reason with them on any of these grounds.

There are countries which have slowly stripped their citizens from the firearms ownership rights such as UK, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, etc. One can just hope that this right in universally protected around the world through various organizations. We should support them in our personal capacity and try to educate people on the use and ownership of firearms. I have met many people who were in past 'anti', but not they have some to reason and many of them now go out and shoot with and begun to understand it as sport and personal need.

One day at a time.
 
I was just reminded of this thread when I chambered a round in my AK 74. It had a slight dent in the primer. Did your tests result in a dented primer?
I don't recall having seen a round chambered in my AKs that didn't have a mark on the primer when ejected. That's why it is a really good idea to use either surplus ammo or ammo built with similarly hard primers.

The system work reliably and safely -- for 50-100+ million AKs all over the world -- unless you change one factor.
 
I don't recall having seen a round chambered in my AKs that didn't have a mark on the primer when ejected. That's why it is a really good idea to use either surplus ammo or ammo built with similarly hard primers.

Would it discharge if I rechamber that round too much? Next time I go to the range I will try it for myself.
 
No, I don't think it would. I don't believe the primer becomes "more sensitized" after each tiny impact. I think it needs a single blow, greater than the energy of activation, to set it off.

I've read of other folks running that test and giving up after 20-30 chamberings without any discharge.
 
Even if it were possible it certainly wouldn't be predictable. The only way to know how many chamberings it would take to set off any particular round is counting them up after it has discharged.

Bock on topic: I like watching many of the firearm related videos on YouTube just because they make me seem like a genius in comparison.
 
I have also witnessed two slam fire events in an AR platform. First one involved a heavy hand on the forward assist, which allowed the match hammer to jump free of sear. Not really a slam fire, but looked similar. Other slam fire was earlier this month at high power match. Bolt closed rifle fired. No other incidents with this rifle/ammo combination the rest of the day. Just good reminder how if you follow the safety rules no one will get hurt even when things do go wrong.

In any event, these incidents resulted in a single unintended discharge.
 
Had a late '70s Thompson clone (.22lr) that had an acknowleged flaw from the factory that they recalled.
Was designed to be "semi-auto only and con not be modified to be fully auto".

The flaw was that every 3-6 rounds, it wold jut "go" fully auto and empty the mag without warning.

Flat scary it was. Absolutely un-predictable.
 
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