German Marked BHP (pics inside)

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I wanted to share some photos of a recent acquisition. I picked up a German marked Browning Hi-Power. Serial number matches on the frame, slide, and barrel. The frame and slide bear an eagle and swastika right below the slide stop and in front of the cocking serations. Directly in front of those eagles is another eagle with the sequence WaA140 beneath it. That same code is stamped at the muzzle side of the dust cover and on the left hand side of the chamber.

My understanding from when I bought this is that it is a bring back. I also recall nearing nazi BHPs were, in some cases, sabotaged by the factory employees.

Given all this, what info can you gentlemen help shed on my little piece of history.
 

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There are too many little "Nazi eagles" on that gun. The barrel should also be so marked (usually visible at ejection port).
 
Waffenamts or whatever they're called ;) Just being rather generic with the terminology.

The barrel is marked, faintly, above the serial number - Eagle and swastika.
 
Go to hipowertalk.com and a guy named gp35fn will quote you chapter and verse on your acquisition, probably right down to the month and year it was manufactured.

In reality, "sabotaged" Hi Powers by FN employees is largely a myth, so I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it a bit. Of course, it's a collectible pistol so if you break something you'd be sorry, but there isn't much to break on the early Hi Powers except the internal extractor and those can be replaced without hurting the value.
 
Most of the nazi hp I have seen didn't come with the mag disconnect and were a little ruffer finished.

Even with out nazi marks the gun is worth around $500 at least in its current state.

There have been cases of ppl faking nazi markings buy simply firearms by just getting a punch made up and stamping a old generic firearm in different areas.

Your markings look real , but there should be more on different areas of the gun, look at gun broker . com and you will see a lot of other real nazi hp's
 
Nice looking gun, it looks identical to mine. My brother has a later one that doesnt have a mag safety. Doesn't even have the pen hole for it.
-Drew
 
Very jealous , I've been in the market for a decent Nazi BHP for two years at a reasonable price and have no luck. Nice find,
Mike

EDIT......are you sure about your markings......... The Nazi BHP's with the tangent sights had the "mag disconnect" on the trigger, the non-tangent BHP 's never had the mag disconnect, yours has a mag disconnect and is missing the letter suffix for a over "145000" serial number.. I would get yours checked out for authentication, search the web and see some pics on gunbroker,


The info here was collected from another site

*****From another post**********

In 1940, the Germans seized the Fabrique Nationale factory and continued to produce High Power pistols for the Wehrmacht. Collectors recognize 3 variations of High Power pistols manufactured under German occupation.

First variation models are the most valuable, they have serial numbers under 53000, and were manufactured from pre-occupation parts that were in stock at the FN factory at the time of takeover. These pistols have walnut grips, a high polish commercial grade finish, a tangent 500 meter rear sight (this is the sliding sight that you mention) and slot for a holster/shoulder stock attachment.

Second variation pistol serial numbers are in the 53000 to 145000 range. These pistols are just about the same as first variation pistols with walnut grips, a high polish commercial grade finish, a tangent 500 meter rear sight but they are not slotted for a holster/shoulder stock.

Third variation pistols were manufactured towards the end of the war, they have serial numbers over 145000 or serial numbers with letter suffix. Finish on third variation pistols is a poor quality military grade, sights are non-adjustable 50 meters and grips are either wooden or brown plastic.

The High Power pistol was designed by John Moses Browning and manufactured by Fabrique Nationale (FN) in Herstal, Belgium. The Belgians were first armed forces to adopt the High Power as an official sidearm, they did this in 1935. Between 1935 and the German capture of the FN factory on May 29, 1940 contracts were filled for the armed forces of several countries including Belgium, China, Peru, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and France.

From the plant's seizure by the Germans in May of 1940 to its liberation in September of 1944, over 319,000 High Powers pistols were manufactured for the German Wehrmacht. The first several thousand pistols were made up from captured parts and had a high polish finish, a shoulder stock slot cut into the rear grip strap and tangent rear sight. To speed production, the Germans eliminated the shoulder stock slot and then the tangent sight at about serial number 145000. As production continued, the quality of finish was reduced to dull blue over a progressively less polished metal. The Germans used three Waffenenamt stamps on High Power pistols:

Eagle over WaA613
Eagle over WaA103
Eagle over WaA140.

Your pistol is the third variation, these were stamped with eagle over WaA140, had fixed 50-meter sights, wood or brown plastic grips and dull military-blue finish over rough machine marks. The approximate serial range for this variation is 145000 to 210000, then 01a to 100000a and finally 01b to 63000b.

Yearly production of High Power pistols under German occupation was as follows:

1940..................... 8,500
1941..................... 65,700
1942..................... 80,600
1943..................... 101,200
1944..................... 63,000
*****From another post**********

Good Luck,
Mike
 
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Thanks for the info, I noticed the magazine disconnect, but didn't know that had a bearing on the status of the gun. Learn something new every day.

The finish on the pistol is blue, but it is in fairly rough shape. The photo and lighting hides the rust speckels nicely.

I also didn't know about the serial suffix. That makes me wonder. I appreciate the feedback.

The Germans used three Waffenenamt stamps on High Power pistols:

Eagle over WaA613
Eagle over WaA103
Eagle over WaA140.

Your pistol is the third variation, these were stamped with eagle over WaA140, had fixed 50-meter sights, wood or brown plastic grips and dull military-blue finish over rough machine marks. The approximate serial range for this variation is 145000 to 210000, then 01a to 100000a and finally 01b to 63000b.

It seems as though mine falls into the serial number range for WaA140 145000 - 210000 with no suffix, or am I misinterpretting?
 
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Great piece of history. But I would surely get it checked by a gunsmith if you plan on shooting it.

The Belgians deliberately lowered their quality while they were producing guns for the Germans. They couldn't be too obvious about it, or they would be caught and shot. All they could do was make them unreliable, so they would make it out of the factory before anything was noticed.

Great find!
 
I taught my son to shoot pistol with the BHP my Grandad brought back. Sure doesn't like modern magazines though. They fit, but barely will they feed...

If not for the teensy tiny sights, I could most likely qualify with it for work.
 
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