spartacus2002
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Trying to decide between Remington 700 and Winchester 70. Any advice from folks with hands-on experience would be appreciated.
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Good bolt-action .308?
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jobu07
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Can't really go wrong with either I suppose. To my knowledge, the Rem would have more "add-ons" though.
Will Fennell
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I've got a Stainless M70 in .308
I've got years of experience with a stainless M70 Classic in .308, and its one of my favorite rifles. With its favorite loads, its consistantly just under a 1 MOA rifle for 3 shots, but also important, it seems to shoot everything fairly well. The WORST group I ever shot with this rifle was just under 2 inches with a load that it, and none of my other .308's, seemed to like. Even cheap mil surplus, like the currently availible Austrailian Ball, shoots around 1" in this rifle.
I like the M70 Classic, as a hunting rifle, over the Remington because of its robust-ness.
-The large claw extractor of the M70 over the small bent piece of wire that makes up the extractor system on the M700.
-THe claw extractor also of course provides controlled feeding, which is certainly a good thing on a rifle used in the field.
-The ejector on the M70 is a larger pivoting blade ejector, will the M700 has a spring loaded plunger. I know that plenty of rifles use the M700 system, but I have also seen this system get corrsion UNDER the plunger and freeze up....because it is not easy for the end user to clean and lubricate. The M70 system is much more robust and easy to get at to maintain.
-I feel the 3 position safety system on the M70 is more postive and versatile.
-THe trigger system on the M70 is much simplier and rugged on the M70 over the M700. The M70 trigger is adjustable, and is easy to achieve a GREAT trigger pull on.
-The bolt on the M70 is field strippable with nothing more than your fingers. The bolt on the M700 requires specialized tools to take apart. Not only is this a positive for the M70 in that you can clean your bolt if it takes a bath in the creek while on a hunting trip[or like me, in the bay of Alaska on an extended bear hunting trip-yeah SALTWATER
], but it also promotes easier cleaning of your rifle without trips to the gunsmith.
Both are great rifles, but I feel the features listed above make the M70 Classic or Pre-64 a better rifle for me and my uses.
I've got years of experience with a stainless M70 Classic in .308, and its one of my favorite rifles. With its favorite loads, its consistantly just under a 1 MOA rifle for 3 shots, but also important, it seems to shoot everything fairly well. The WORST group I ever shot with this rifle was just under 2 inches with a load that it, and none of my other .308's, seemed to like. Even cheap mil surplus, like the currently availible Austrailian Ball, shoots around 1" in this rifle.
I like the M70 Classic, as a hunting rifle, over the Remington because of its robust-ness.
-The large claw extractor of the M70 over the small bent piece of wire that makes up the extractor system on the M700.
-THe claw extractor also of course provides controlled feeding, which is certainly a good thing on a rifle used in the field.
-The ejector on the M70 is a larger pivoting blade ejector, will the M700 has a spring loaded plunger. I know that plenty of rifles use the M700 system, but I have also seen this system get corrsion UNDER the plunger and freeze up....because it is not easy for the end user to clean and lubricate. The M70 system is much more robust and easy to get at to maintain.
-I feel the 3 position safety system on the M70 is more postive and versatile.
-THe trigger system on the M70 is much simplier and rugged on the M70 over the M700. The M70 trigger is adjustable, and is easy to achieve a GREAT trigger pull on.
-The bolt on the M70 is field strippable with nothing more than your fingers. The bolt on the M700 requires specialized tools to take apart. Not only is this a positive for the M70 in that you can clean your bolt if it takes a bath in the creek while on a hunting trip[or like me, in the bay of Alaska on an extended bear hunting trip-yeah SALTWATER
], but it also promotes easier cleaning of your rifle without trips to the gunsmith.Both are great rifles, but I feel the features listed above make the M70 Classic or Pre-64 a better rifle for me and my uses.
The Winchester 70 is "the Rifleman's Rifle" and long used by nearly everyone.
The Remington 700 is the basis of most modern high-end target and sniper rifles (like the Army's M24 and the Marine M40A1 and A3), both services originally used the M70 in Vietnam and switched over to the 700.
They're both solid rifles.
The Remington 700 is the basis of most modern high-end target and sniper rifles (like the Army's M24 and the Marine M40A1 and A3), both services originally used the M70 in Vietnam and switched over to the 700.
They're both solid rifles.
Fumbler
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Both are great.
I personally like the safety on M70's.
Take note that the M70 classic and pre '64 M70's are controlled feed and anything between that is usually push feed like the 700.
The M70's trigger is vesy easy to adjust, I have no personal experince with the 700.
A friend of mine who went through scout sniper training said their M40's were fitted with Win M70 triggers. I don't know how true that is.
Both are great, but neither really impressed me, so when I went looking for a .308Win I ended up buying a Tikka T3.
You don't have to limit yourself to the most popular rifles.
I personally like the safety on M70's.
Take note that the M70 classic and pre '64 M70's are controlled feed and anything between that is usually push feed like the 700.
The M70's trigger is vesy easy to adjust, I have no personal experince with the 700.
A friend of mine who went through scout sniper training said their M40's were fitted with Win M70 triggers. I don't know how true that is.
Both are great, but neither really impressed me, so when I went looking for a .308Win I ended up buying a Tikka T3.
You don't have to limit yourself to the most popular rifles.
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