Gun Control Harming U.S. Troops

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Gun Control Harming U.S. Troops
Jon E. Dougherty, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, May 25, 2004
Is it possible for bad domestic law to be a detriment to our fighting forces overseas – even to the point of getting some soldiers killed? Absolutely, say veterans, who want lawmakers to fix the problem ASAP.
According to a report in the July issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine, many of the ammunition magazines for the M-16/M-4 family of rifles used by troopers, along with 9 mm magazines for sidearms, are increasingly failing because they are either old or of poor quality.

The result, say troopers, is that ammunition fails to feed properly – a situation which can turn deadly in a hurry during a firefight.

'Varmint' Rifle Needs to Go

Add to the problem the fact that the M-16 family of weapons utilizes .223 caliber (5.56 mm) ammunition, which has proven too small and light for war.

"Sometime, before we get into a big war, the U.S. military needs to get rid of our current generation of 'varmint rifles' and start issuing real rifles," one small arms expert told John Farnam, author of SOF's "Combat Weaponcraft" column, a firearms instructor and a Vietnam vet who saw a lot of combat as a U.S. Marine.

Firearms maker Barrett has developed a 6.8 caliber rifle for civilian and police use, Farnam said, in anticipation of a military need. But so far, procurement of the weapon – or a similar, larger caliber rifle for troops – hasn't been publicly discussed by the Pentagon.

The M-16, which first appeared during the Vietnam War, replaced the M-14, a heavier rifle that was also a larger caliber (.308). Currently the Pentagon is testing a weapon called the XM8 Lightweight Modular Weapon System, "a new, lightweight assault rifle that employs many of the technologies already developed for the planned objective individual combat weapon, which would combine an infantry rifle with a grenade launcher," says National Defense Magazine.

Army Lt. Col. Mathew T. Clarke, who is in charge of testing the rifle, has so far been impressed with its performance. "I'm very excited about how the weapon has performed," he told the magazine.

The problem some critics see, however, is that the new rifle is chambered for the exact same lightweight .223 (5.56 mm) round.

Another rifle being examined is the XM29. But it fires a kinetic energy 5.56 mm round, and also comes with a 20 mm launcher that fires air-bursting grenades (to reach enemies behind defensive positions).

Another problem with the XM29 – it's weight. At 18 pounds, it was deemed too heavy for infantry. So Clarke has decided to speed development and cast the rifle and air-burst grenade launcher as two separate weapons for the time being. "Quite frankly, we have to wait for technology to catch up," he told the magazine.

But will it? Some weapons developers aren't so sure.

The small arms expert told Farnam few domestic weapons manufacturers want to make a new, larger-caliber rifle for the military alone. "With no prospect of civilian sales, there is zero interest in this undertaking among American manufacturers. . . " the weapons expert said.

The small arms maker and expert said a government official recently met with a group of manufacturers. The official said the Pentagon wanted to build some M-4 carbines chambered for a Russian caliber – 7.62 X 39 mm – noting that the smaller .223 caliber "has never met our [military] requirements."

The government official then produced a 30-round magazine, which held the Russian caliber ammunition but would fit an M-4 carbine. He then asked if any of the manufacturers present could make such a magazine, as the "magazine ban" of the early 1990s had driven the original maker out of business.

Said the small arms expert: "We all expressed our opinions about the magazine ban and the politicians who supported it and, to a man, assured [the government official] that none of us were interested, in the least, under present laws. He nodded his head in reluctant acknowledgement."

The small arms expert continued: "We thus see how the 'magazine ban' is significantly harming our troops and the nation's ability to successfully prosecute a war."

Bad Magazines

Existing magazines being used by U.S. troops are also faulty.

"A police officer and friend, just deployed to Iraq, is serving there now as a Marine officer," Jeff Chudwin, an associate of Farnam's, wrote.

"He is in the thick of the fighting. He has only two Beretta M9 magazines, and both have weak springs. Pistol magazines are in short supply there. Ones that actually work are in even shorter supply," Chudwin said.

In an attempt to get better magazines, the police officer/Marine attempted to procure some from his home department, but was unable to do so "due to the ban on purchasing high capacity (normal capacity) magazines," said Chudwin.

He said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [BATF] was asked to intervene, to approve the sale, but "they arrogantly told us, 'The military must take care of their own.'"

The result, Chudwin told Farnam, is that "the Marine officer cannot obtain additional magazines through the military, and we cannot support him from our end unless we send him 'Clinton clips'" – 10-round magazines (instead of the normal capacity 15-16 round magazines originally made for the M9) or magazines that were manufactured before the law banning them was signed by President Clinton.

In his column, Farnam also included comments from a U.S. soldier, currently on assignment in Iraq. The trooper related some of his experiences with the magazines, as well as a recommendation of how to overcome problems:

"If you are carrying an M9 when you go over [to Iraq], purchase some good magazines," the soldier writes. He recommended OEM or Beretta magazines.

"'Checkmate' magazines that the Marine Corps is currently issuing with your weapons are crap," the soldier continued. "During our first run in the desert, if I did not clean the magazines at least twice a day, it was a guaranteed failure to feed.

"It was rare to get off more than two shots without a feeding issue," the soldier continued. "Unacceptable. I personally don't want to find myself with a non-functioning pistol with the shooting starts."

'Stupid Gun Laws'

Writes Farnam: "Stupid gun laws, designed from the beginning for harassment and little else, are now interfering with our war effort, and no one at BATF, indeed the whole federal system, seems to care. While our Marines die, bureaucrats and politicians dither."

He recommends a course of action.

"When the 'magazine ban,' 'assault rifle' law was enacted, it had a built-in sunset clause so it could be allowed to die a natural death after it did not perform as promised," he wrote. "Not only has it failed to perform as promised as any sort of deterrent to criminal activity, we see where it is having ill effect on national defense issues. Contact your senators and congressmen today and tell them to let it sunset."

Unless Congress reauthorizes the ban, it will expire in September 2004. Republicans in both Houses have expressed an interest in allowing the law to die, while most Democrats have pushed for a renewal of the ban.

During his 2000 presidential campaign, President Bush has said he would sign a reauthorization of the bill if it reached his desk. Gun rights advocates – as well as a number of U.S. soldiers – are hoping it doesn't get that far.
 
Firearms maker Barrett has developed a 6.8 caliber rifle for civilian and police use...

Eh? What? Less than half the diameter of a .22 round? If the author meant 6.8 millimeter, what's that in plain caliber? I never did care for the French system of measurement.
 
One of the gun mags just ran a story on three or four 6mm variations on the M16/M4. None of the guns were actually 6.00mm, they were all 6.xx, but if I recall correctly they were all capable of being built on the existing M16 receiver.
 
Been told the AMTU got involved in bullet design and produced an excellent mid-range bullet. However, in increasing the length and weight of the bullet, the twist had to be quicker and the end result was the lethality of the .223 bullet decreased. The original 55 grain fired from a 1:14" twist wrecked havoc because it would destabilize once it entered flesh. The new bullet zips through.

Well, the 6.8mm is pretty interesting. Looks like I'll have to rebarrel a couple of my exiled children. :)
 
That doesn't fit with what I read on the AR-15.org site.

Twist isn't the factor that makes the bullet destablize -- velocity is. The problem inherent to a small caliber like the .223 is that a light (55 grain) bullet shoots flat but doesn't have significant terminal energy beyond 300 yards or so (not sure on the yardage, I read this info a while ago). The newer, heavier 62 grain bullet carries more energy farther, but it needs more twist to stabilize in flight. The early M16s with 1:12 barrels aren't capable of shooting the 62-grain bullet with any degree of accuracy beyond 50 yards.

The newer M16s typically have 1:9 barrels and the heavier bullet is accurate out to 600 meters and beyond. BUT ... (big "but") the short 14-1/2" barrels on the M4 carbines don't provide enough velocity for the bullet to fragment or destabilize on impact beyond about 100 meters.

The ammo article on AR-15.org actually concluded that for normal home defense use the original 55-grain round is the better all-around choice. That surprised me immensely, because I was expecting them to recommend the 62-grain.
 
6.8SPC uses 0.277" bulllets, same as .270 Winchester.

4v50 Gary,

You may have to cust different feed ramps in the receiver.

More 6.8SPC/AR15 info in the FAQ in my .signature:
 
I call BS.

The local LE agency couldn't get Hi caps...?..... LE is the only group in the US that CAN get Hi caps and.... no strings attached...and dang cheap too.
Why would they even think about calling the BATFE. Never happened.

Also I thought Remington had just a little bit to do with developing both the 5.56 and 6.8 SPC or GPC or what ever it is. For all that is being said about the new wonder bullet lets wait and see what happens. This may be BS too but I have read some Spec Ops are already out there with these rifles and the new round. We should find out real soon if they have themselves a new super bullet.

It's going to cost a pretty penny to convert especially if Uncle goes with the new H&K rifle too. And what about the SAWS.
 
Selfdfenz,

Good question regarding the cost of introducing a new cartridge. It is possible to see a new cartridge "phased-in" over time. Squad by squad, or platoon by platoon, rifles for a new cartridge could be introduced. Then again, your question about firearms such as the SAW come into play.

Short answer is, there's no economical way to do it quickly, and phasing it in slowly introduces all sorts of logistical problems. Can you imagine the logistical nightmare that would be involved with sorting out which unit gets what ammunition? Or worse, imagine doing that sorting during combat?!
 
I agree Shane.

Even if the US stays with the M16 and just changes the uppers the issues are big ones.
IIRC the mags stay the same but what about small parts in the upper. Are they interchangable. Will the field armorers have two parts sets? Two sets of gauges?

Then there's two kinds of ammo in the dump.

What happens when a replacement trooper with a 6.8 goes into a unit equipped with 5.56. Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

The 6.8 guys can't pick ammo out of links if they run low and the SAW guys can't link 6.8 if they do.
I won't even begin with adoption of the HK.

We had lots of weapons that ran on 06 in WWII. That was an equation that equaled success. You are so right when you point out the issues we would encounter during a War.

I hope the governmet will wait till everyone's home and
safe before they do anything.

S-
 
Every country has changed it's rifle at some point or another, correct?

Why not just go back and look at the most succesful attempts and emulate that?
 
The official said the Pentagon wanted to build some M-4 carbines chambered for a Russian caliber – 7.62 X 39 mm – noting that the smaller .223 caliber "has never met our [military] requirements."

Assuming this is true, *** did we ever settle on the .223 to begin with??? :scrutiny: :banghead:
 
.223 was adopted because at typical battle distances 50-200 yards the lethal effect was the same as a larger caliber, so they said.
The soldier could carry 500 rounds of the .223 to 250 rounds of .308 or 30-06 for the same weight. The M-16 gave the soldier the oprion of full auto fire along with a sufficient quantity of ammo to support it as well.

The Russians made the same mistake about 15+ years ago with the AK-74
which shoots a .222 caliber bullet. Thats what they issue to their forces now. 7.62X39 is the OLD russian round but is still popular for some reason :rolleyes:
 
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