Gun Violence

[svtruth]

When an anti-gun person uses this term, they betray their focus. The phrase is two words, a noun, and an adjective. Clearly, the noun, "violence" is more important than the adjective, "gun." If one is against violence, surely one is against all violence, not just a subset. I would suggest, that if one is against "gun violence" that one work to eliminate violence.
To that end, it is likely to be more productive to look at the causes of violence, and the conditions that nurture peaceful existence. The two examples that spring to mind, are Chicago and Vermont. The latter has very minimal gun laws, and very low rates of all kinds of violence, including "gun." The former has strict, repressive gun laws and high rates of violence.
I would bet that if you improved employment opportunity and educational level, and decreased gang participation, narcotics trafficking, and government corruption in Chicago, all violence, including "gun" would decline. Further, those are things within the power of Chicago city government, and do not require national laws.

 

[DaisyCutter]

By liberal logic, we should ban dating.

Then there would be no potential for "date rape".

 

[Sunray]

The word 'gun' is a noun. Can be a verb too, but it's never an adjective. Best one is it's also the past participle of 'gin'. The cotton variety, not the drinking. snicker.
Still no such thing as gun violence. A gun is an inanimate object.

 

[yugorpk]

Its a disease.

 

[entropy]

As a gunsmith, I have seen the results of violence visited upon guns. Except in the case of an accident, (falling out of a tree stand, for instance) it should be a crime.

 

[ROAshooter]

I always want to ask a anti-gun advocate....how many of their family members have been a victim of violent crime.
From my own experience....the ones I have personally spoken to...live in a select part of town...away from crime areas...and have NEVER had the need for self protection...

 

[yugorpk]

The only anti gun people Ive ever known were from inner city ethnic neighborhoods. Draw your own conclusions. We used to call them Ghetto's but that word has all sorts of connotations. Ive never really known anyone who was anti-gun that wasn't from that sort of environment. The ones I have known were women and to them what they were pushing made perfect sense. Guns were destroying their families and neighborhoods. It couldn't have been their own people doing it. It was a big contributing factor to my leaving my previous job. My new boss was having nothing to do with me owning an "arsenal". I even had a review where I was given no raise and told that if I wanted more money I could sell my guns. I quit soon thereafter, the production numbers fell apart and she got fired along with her boss for letting it happen.

 

[Warp]

The only anti gun people Ive ever known were from inner city ethnic neighborhoods. Draw your own conclusions. We used to call them Ghetto's but that word has all sorts of connotations. Ive never really known anyone who was anti-gun that wasn't from that sort of environment. The ones I have known were women and to them what they were pushing made perfect sense. Guns were destroying their families and neighborhoods. It couldn't have been their own people doing it. It was a big contributing factor to my leaving my previous job. My new boss was having nothing to do with me owning an "arsenal". I even had a review where I was given no raise and told that if I wanted more money I could sell my guns. I quit soon thereafter, the production numbers fell apart and she got fired along with her boss for letting it happen.

My experiences differ wildly, I suspect your horizons are not particularly broad if those are the only anti gun people you have ever known.

 

[yugorpk]

My experiences differ wildly, I suspect your horizons are not particularly broad if those are the only anti gun people you have ever known.

In 48 years I can't say that Ive met more than 4 or 5 people who were openly anti-gun. Maybe that means my horizons arent broad or maybe it means that I have chosen to live and work in mostly rural or somewhat rural communities where closet anti-gun people don't dare spout such foolishness in public. I have lived all over the US though and several foreign countries.

I don't consider internet people to be real people.

 

[Warp]

In 48 years I can't say that Ive met more than 4 or 5 people who were openly anti-gun. Maybe that means my horizons arent broad or maybe it means that I have chosen to live and work in mostly rural or somewhat rural communities where closet anti-gun people don't dare spout such foolishness in public. I have lived all over the US though and several foreign countries.

I don't consider internet people to be real people.

It's probably staying rural/what that brings.

Internet not counted at all...openly anti gun people everywhere I've been. Minority yes, but certainly more I've met or known in real life than I could ever count. And not one fits your criteria lol

Just different experiences

 

[Gladius]

"I am against gun violence!"

Okay... so... does that mean you're into knife violence? Club violence? Fist violence? Car violence?

No, seriously. Is that what it means?

 

[DeepSouth]

They know exactly what they're doing by using the term "gun violence"
I'm not a huge Ted Nudget fan but the time he asked Piers Morgan why he only cared about people killed by guns following his use the term was spot on and exposed him for the snake he is.

Btw: I can honestly say I've never meet an anti gun person FTF in my, life that I know of. I do have an Aunt that is likely somewhat of a gun control supporter but owns a few herself and borrowed one for her daughters I carry years ago, she'd probably be more of a obvious hypocrite.

 

[gbran]

The major difference between Chicago and Vermont is the number of available criminals.

It is the number criminals, not guns, that drive crime statistics.

 

[Ignition Override]

yugorpk:
I've detected coworkers who are anti-gun because they say nothing about them, and are afraid of triggering a debate.

One of those coworkers has a brother who is an assistant police chief, somewhere in the southern Chicago suburbs.

That former coworker was a US Marine, and maybe because of his brother's career in the (police) political arena, the ex-Marine feels that if guns were confiscated, the supply for the criminals would dry up in fifty years.

He told me this, and that the supply where criminals get them in neighboring states would also dry up.

 

[eldon519]

No offense but playing semantics usually isn't a way to sway anyone in an educated discussion. It's the type of tactic that makes people think you need to be sitting at the kids' table in the debate. Attack the issue on substance and factual basis, not the nomenclature.

 

[Spooler41]

In my 74 years ,there some terms that ring true, but "gun violence" is not one of
them. I have been a gun owner most of my life and have to say I've never owned
a violent gun. I have known of violent gun owners and violent gun users. The real
problem is criminal violence, if only people would use the proper term ,can we
change the perception of guns as violent articles ,that act independently, be changed.

.............................. Jack

 

[DeepSouth]

No offense but playing semantics usually isn't a way to sway anyone in an educated discussion. It's the type of tactic that makes people think you need to be sitting at the kids' table in the debate. Attack the issue on substance and factual basis, not the nomenclature.

It's not just semantics, by classifying types of violence they can ignore stats they don't like, it totally changes the conversation. It's how they mislead, and give half truths.

Gun violence = violent crimes committed by people using gun

Notice how you could kill 10 billion people with gas chambers in a country and antis could still say look at that country with no gun violence, maybe we should change our laws to look like theirs. Obviously an extreme example but you get the point, that's what they're doing just on a smaller scale.

That's not semantics, that's an agenda and its deliberate.

 

[eldon519]

Seems like a pretty big reach to me. I've seen quite a few motor vehicle death stats and never once suspected the cars went Maximum Overdrive and just started killing people. Nor did I assume it was part of the Amish lobby's agenda to ban cars. It's calling a spade a spade. Same with vehicular homicide, unless you own a runaway Prius, most folks understand that to mean the driver caused it.

I think what you're suggesting is almost tantamount to saying we shouldn't classify health-related deaths by cause, just say "sickness." Much like ailments, different societal issues demand different remedies and sometimes have different causes or influencing factors.

 

[climbnjump]

Still no such thing as gun violence.

If there was, wouldn't we have to buy individual safes for each gun?

I mean, if you put a dozen or so guns in one safe and then go away for a weekend, you might only have assorted smithereens left in there when you opened it up next time...

 

[KevinHarris]

We need to be careful about gun rules and try to avoid illegal activities.I always want to ask a anti-gun advocate....how many of their family members have been a victim of violent crime.

 

[Sav .250]

Sometime things get lost in translation.

 

[boatdoc173]

I am getting very tired of the a nti legal gun owner agenda. The 1%ers,the elites and the government officials who warrant security have people armed with full auto weapons protecting them. why? they are isolated and insulated from the real dangers in life--thugs with their black market or stolen guns and psychos intent on murdering huge #s for the publicity

just watching the NatGeo show about "ghost guns" and reading of the occasional snatching of smuggled black market guns would make anyone wiht a real brain--WAKE up to where the danger comes from and make them focus on that issue. IF the government wanted to stop all of these killings, they could clean the streets on known violent thugs and their blackmarket guns and force violent mentally ill people back into the institutions that Reagan closed in the 80's

BUT NO --these controllers and the sheeple who follow them are pushing for US to lose the ability to protect ourselves and to enjoy our sport

this is apathetic abuse of our rights

 

[CoalTrain49]

I mean, if you put a dozen or so guns in one safe and then go away for a weekend, you might only have assorted smithereens left in there when you opened it up next time...

I've found that guns are actually very well mannered when they are together, confined to a dark environment. It's when you let them out into the light that they start getting into mischief. I had one kill a deer one time before I could stop it. Did the very same thing the next year. Just a very violent gun that needed close supervision.