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What is with the tremendous drops in price on certain models the past month or 2. AR's for 4 and change, many pistole's at the 300-400 mark that are off about 20-25%. I picked up a LCP custom for 2 an change, Lc9's for 300, several guns that were 6-700 now down in the 4-500 range, like VP9's and Walther's m2's, with NS and 3 mags for 5 and change, lower on the M2, M&P's 329 the new M&P 45 for 400, the PMR30 last night 349. I passed anyway, but those suckers have been 5-600 for the past years. AR15 omni for 489, from Grab a gun, http://grabagun.com/american-tactic...maxx-limited-black-5-56-223-16-inch-30rd.html. I also bought assorted ammo for the least expensive amount in 7 years last week, 10 bucks a box for 9mm, and it was Fiocci.AR, 45, 380, all for the cheapest prices in ages, is this election causing this much supply?
Buds just had a weekend sale with some kimbers marked down 300 bucks, they were over priced to begin with but that never stopped them before, I can't see those sissy mirrored Ultra's at 1500 beans, but they actually dropped some down to a grand.
 
Everybody has been on a buying frenzy since 2012. Production has finally outstripped demand. Do t worry though, it will be short lived I imagine.
 
I guess it depends on where your interests lay. Personally, my interests are in older Smith & Wesson revolvers and they seem to have gone up at least 25% over the last 12 to 18 months. I think maybe the production of the types you mention (plastics and AR varients) has caught up with demand.
 
Very true, I stopped even looking for older revolvers in pristine condition, as most guys who have em are like me, and not really interested in selling them, so you have to pay up ot pass.
Right now I want a Full rail TRP, and I may as well have asked for the Holy Grail, as the prices are nuts. I may go to a Dan Wesson if I have to go to 1,400 for a TRP, the ECO looks like a nice one or a C-bob, possibly a Heritage. Waiting for something to fall in my lap. The ECO or Gaurdian, in the smaller size looks like a gun I could carry, and use at the range. I would carry the TRP also even though it's a lot of gun.
I can't see a Kimber, TLE2, pro, for 1000, it just doesn't look laike that good a gun for the money, and you don't really know what you will get when ordering from a place online. I do it with a polymer gun, but not a semi custom gun.
Then one more step get's you in Ed Brown territory, but it's easy to jump and catch yourself prior to spending an extra thousand on a pistol that you got carried away with.
It is made to take more abuse than I am.But the Dan Wesson has me interested. Any thoughts, Wesson or Operator/TRP. I want to stay at or below 1500.
 
I will take 2 KIMBER UC ll's for the price of one TRP...any day. Mine have been nothing short of stellar, for years.
 
If you think 2012 was a "buying frenzy" I'll tell you what, hear in a month or so you're going to see a "buying frenzy" like you wouldn't believe.
 
Well, 2013 was a buying frenzy. The psycho didn't go into a school and set every lib/dem politician into motion at lightspeed until December 2012 and the federal congress critters weren't arguing about it until January 2013. '

Prices and availability are absolutely ridiculously good right now, comparatively.

I don't think there will be anything near as bad as four years ago because the grabbers went all in at that time and lost (National level, some hopeless states like CA are their own thing)
 
I just saw an LCP for $174.00, that is cheap regardless of the new one coing out and already dropping 40 bucks on slickguns over 4 hours or so. I see ammo in my emails for 179 per 1000, for 9mm this is crazy.
Is this a capitulation by the Republicans?
 
I don't think there will be anything near as bad as four years ago because the grabbers went all in at that time and lost (National level, some hopeless states like CA are their own thing)
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I hope you are correct. Unfortunately, there are a couple things to consider.

Should The Hildebeast win, she will make SCOTUS appointments for the next four years. And, she's absolutely adamant about banning EBR's.

I suspect the Senate will swing back to the dems this time. We are only a few house seats from being offset by the gun grabbers.

And no matter the legislation, should Hillary make the SCOTUS appointment, all it will take is one lawsuit to go before them to unravel everything. In reality, congress doesn't make laws. It's all determined by five of the nine SCOTUS justices, like it or not.
 
redneck2 said:
I hope you are correct. Unfortunately, there are a couple things to consider.

Should The Hildebeast win, she will make SCOTUS appointments for the next four years. And, she's absolutely adamant about banning EBR's.

I suspect the Senate will swing back to the dems this time. We are only a few house seats from being offset by the gun grabbers.

And no matter the legislation, should Hillary make the SCOTUS appointment, all it will take is one lawsuit to go before them to unravel everything. In reality, congress doesn't make laws. It's all determined by five of the nine SCOTUS justices, like it or not.
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Well, the POTUS doesn't "make SCOTUS appointments", the POTUS nominates justices which must be approved by the Senate. Not a trivial difference.

But that does mean that the Senate can only approve a justice that POTUS has already put forth...
 
Stopped by Kentucky Gun Company today on my way through from Lexington and the place was packed. It's usually busy when I can stop as I only get by there twice a year, but today was exceptionally busy. There were some good prices, although not a whole lot better than others. But there were a lot of women and families there and I did see many folks buying more than one gun at a time. Mostly handguns, smaller 380's, 9mm and 38 snubs. There was the occasional .40 and .45 guy but it seemed today was CCW for the whole family purchases.
 
Here in Pennsylvania, I've witnessed a sharp increase in prices for USED Marlin 336 carbines and slide action Remingtons. A few years back, one could buy a Marlin 30-30 for under $300. and not much more for a 760 in 30-06. Things have certainly changed a great deal.

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While there have been dozens of threads on speculating what will happen this November, the current situation (as has been said already) is that production of AR type firearms is starting to catch up/slightly outpace demand. The demand has been high for a while because lots of people are buying multiple in the event of the next panic or if they should be needed. People that once has 1 or 2 now have 4 or 5, people that once had 4 or 5 now have 10 or 20 lol.

Ammo wise, I suspect people are buying more guns than ammo on the theory that guns can be banned but .223 or 9mm ammo should be safe. That's the theory anyways.
 
Personally, if certain people take over the White House, I believe they will attempt to disarm us, but not by going after the guns. I truly believe that they will come up with stiff heavy taxes and rules/restrictions, for the manufactures of AMMO! They will also put strongly controlled restrictions on what ammo and how much ammo, a civilian can legally have & buy! They are going to try and control us, by controlling the flow and supply of ammo. Just my .02
 
I believe that another panic is going to be upon us soon. I have every gun I want/need and enough ammo to last me a couple of years of rimfire target shooting and defensive pistol practice. I have enough shotgun shells to finish out this trap season and start the next, but shotgun target loads were readily available around here during the last panic -- in fact, that was about all that was available.

The challenge for me is going to be how to say "No" when my gun club buddies who didn't stock up ask me for ammo.
 
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Ok thought about getting a great deal on a Ruger Mk3, "gone", every place I looked is either sold out of the Hunter and Competition, or they are over 500, so I guess 2-3 days ago was the time to move, althouth long term, the old models have to start to fall.
Also the high end stuff is keeping it's value, "as usual". I looked for a TRP and a Long Beach Operator, and although Buds does have TRP's for 13 ish, most others are out, and the full length slide doesn't exhist in a "new" gun. I did see them on Gun Broker for 1,700. That's just nuts to me. We are going into Wessn and Brown territory for over 14-15.
So now I mentioned the other day, may as well start looking at Wessons, I tried Kimber, Sig, and The Springer Champion Operator, in the 3-4 inch size, but they are still at 9+ other than the Springer which is 8+. I am not paying a grand for a 3" 1911. I may as well go for the Colt or TRP in full size, "if they exist" or it's Wessons or Brown.. Any members have a sweet gun that they don't use "safe queen" I am looking for a 1911. Prefer a 3" for under 8, or a full size for under 12. But I am particular, and cheap.
that's a tough combo, but if I like something I just buy it.
What's the deal on the Colt Rail gun, or the Gold Cup, are they still hit and miss?
 
george burns said:
Ok thought about getting a great deal on a Ruger Mk3, "gone", every place I looked is either sold out of the Hunter and Competition, or they are over 500, so I guess 2-3 days ago was the time to move, althouth long term, the old models have to start to fall.
Also the high end stuff is keeping it's value, "as usual". I looked for a TRP and a Long Beach Operator, and although Buds does have TRP's for 13 ish, most others are out, and the full length slide doesn't exhist in a "new" gun. I did see them on Gun Broker for 1,700. That's just nuts to me. We are going into Wessn and Brown territory for over 14-15.
So now I mentioned the other day, may as well start looking at Wessons, I tried Kimber, Sig, and The Springer Champion Operator, in the 3-4 inch size, but they are still at 9+ other than the Springer which is 8+. I am not paying a grand for a 3" 1911. I may as well go for the Colt or TRP in full size, "if they exist" or it's Wessons or Brown.. Any members have a sweet gun that they don't use "safe queen" I am looking for a 1911. Prefer a 3" for under 8, or a full size for under 12. But I am particular, and cheap.
that's a tough combo, but if I like something I just buy it.
What's the deal on the Colt Rail gun, or the Gold Cup, are they still hit and miss?
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Your question is not easy to answer, however, as always it depends of how fussy you want to be or for lack of a better work snobbish. In the 1911 style, I have a Sig and a Springfield .45acp and I love them both. I also have 3 Rock Island 1911 Style Guns, two in .45acp and one in 10mm. The 10mm and one of the .45acps are full size government models. The other Rock Island .45acp is a Commander Size. The .45acp RI's are in the high $400 range, the 10mm is in the high $700 range.

Of all of the guns I just mentioned above, the RI .45acp Commander is my favorite to carry & shoot. It's based on the original 70 series 1911, nothing fancy, basic & simple and built like a tank. It shoots anything and everything, I feed it, with never a problem. The only difference in performance that I can see, is that I can shoot 3" groups at 25 yards off hand, all day, with my Springfield and Sig. With my RI .45acp guns, I can only get 4" groups, but I can do that all day as well!
 
Sticking to the OP's original topic -

It's the fall buying season and some stores/chains are overstocked with guns. Production met demand and even in the face of speculative reasons to buy people have slowed down now. They got their guns.

LCP? It's going out of production, the LCP II was announced. Retailers have been dumping it for a year now knowing what Ruger was up to. There are likely more models being superceded and in light of the typical slowdown over the winter, stores simply aren't wanting to carry a lot of inventory over. They have to declare it at the end of the business year and they get taxed on it. Sell now for cheaper or lose money on it later - which would you do? Business rules say sell NOW before the holiday buying season starts diverting money away from guns.

Same with ammo - you can find .22 on the shelf now here and there. That's a whole bunch of production increase to keep up with the real demand on it.

It's the typical season's markdowns to get turnover on stock, standard merchandising protocols. Enjoy. Nobody is really to worried about the future of guns in America now.

It they want them, come and take them.
 
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even in the face of speculative reasons to buy people have slowed down now.
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uh, no

Gun sales (the best we can measure them) set another monthly record, which is what like the 17th straight new record...gun sales are going up every month and have been for a long time. It has not slowed down.
 
After last Friday's famous release of a very old interview, the fact that a mini panic regarding ammo (or guns) has Not already begun is a surprise.

Had I been in the US I would have ordered an extra 2,000 rds. Of .223/7.62x39.
 
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Many fewer people smoke today as a result of .gov efforts. The tobacco companies could make a profit selling them for $1/pack. But for $7/pack a lot less people smoke. In NYC a pack is right around $10. I imagine ammo could be subjected to the same policy. We've already seen .22's go from $.69/50 to over $.10/rd in just the last 10 years. I could see $25/100 as a routine price for .22lr, it's already been there. Joe
 
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