Haggling and Horse-trading

[gdcpony]

1) Do you haggle at all? This is partly covered in the other thread, and it appears that some folks just detest it.
2) If you do haggle, when? Used guns only? Or on any gun? Mom & Pop LGSs vs. large chain stores? I haggle on guns just about no matter what. When I bought my S&W Shield, I saw Academy's "Price match minus 5%" guarantee and used my smart phone to find a better competitor's price.
3) How old are you? I'm 48 and I always seem to find myself haggling with folks over 40. I don't know if that means younger folks don't haggle, or simply haven't learned the art.
4) Do you consider yourself urban or rural? I live in a city of ~100K, but I grew up in a town of ~6K. In a town that size, you could get a good deal by barter and bargain, but you really couldn't afford to rip the other guy off. You didn't want a reputation for cheating folks.
5) I try not to low ball anyone. I'd rather leave a few bucks on the table than insult the other party. Frankly, I may want or need to deal with them in the future. I don't want them coming back to the table with a bad taste already in their mouth. The question is "What do you consider low-balling?" If I have a gun solidly worth $1k, I'd consider any offer less than ~$750 a low ball. If someone wants to offer me $800, I'd just consider that a buyer trying to get a good deal. Nothing worth getting bent out of shape over.
6) Did I miss anything? What else do you thin affected your attitude towards price negotiations?

1. Some, but not much. If it isn't close to a decent deal already, I part ways. Sometimes it is just plain fun if the guy is fun to talk to or I know him. I may be ready to pay full price those times. It is always friendly for me. If it turns otherwise for me or them, I cut my losses.
2. I do a little more if I am buying more than one item though. Never know when the volume discount can help out right? I will look for a price match, but sometimes I am wiling to pay more for good customer service. One thing I hate as a currently serving Marine is guys using "military discount" when haggling. You are already paid for your service (as am I) if it is offered, take it, if not deal with it.
3. 42
4. Rural
5. I research a ton so I used that. If a guy is selling something for $300 that I can go elsewhere for $250 for, I will use that to save me the trip. But at the same time, I expect a counter as well and have already decided how much I will top out at. It is usually somewhere between their asking and my offer. Kind of normal there right? I love it when a guy thinks his item is worth more than new (not collectible). Those I walk away from without an attempt.

 

[DeadFlies]

LoonWolf started a thread called: At what point is the line crossed between being an informed buyer and overly demanding? I didn't want to derail his thread, but I have some related questions, because LW's thread got me to thinking.

Let me premise this: I love haggling and horse-trading. I'm a trial attorney. In part, that makes me a professional negotiator, and that's one of the best parts of my job. If I buy or sell a gun, sometimes I'll spend 15-30 minutes talking to the other party. It's part negotiation, part shooting the breeze.

Here are my questions:
1) Do you haggle at all? This is partly covered in the other thread, and it appears that some folks just detest it.
2) If you do haggle, when? Used guns only? Or on any gun? Mom & Pop LGSs vs. large chain stores? I haggle on guns just about no matter what. When I bought my S&W Shield, I saw Academy's "Price match minus 5%" guarantee and used my smart phone to find a better competitor's price.
3) How old are you? I'm 48 and I always seem to find myself haggling with folks over 40. I don't know if that means younger folks don't haggle, or simply haven't learned the art.
4) Do you consider yourself urban or rural? I live in a city of ~100K, but I grew up in a town of ~6K. In a town that size, you could get a good deal by barter and bargain, but you really couldn't afford to rip the other guy off. You didn't want a reputation for cheating folks.
5) I try not to low ball anyone. I'd rather leave a few bucks on the table than insult the other party. Frankly, I may want or need to deal with them in the future. I don't want them coming back to the table with a bad taste already in their mouth. The question is "What do you consider low-balling?" If I have a gun solidly worth $1k, I'd consider any offer less than ~$750 a low ball. If someone wants to offer me $800, I'd just consider that a buyer trying to get a good deal. Nothing worth getting bent out of shape over.
6) Did I miss anything? What else do you thin affected your attitude towards price negotiations?

1- I love haggling. Love it. I’m always trying to find a good deal, and I’m always willing to move on the price of anything I’m selling.

2- Only on used guns, though. I rarely buy from stores, so it’s only Armslist and private sales. I’m not haggling with the doofuses at retail stores.

3- I’m 43.

4- I live in the suburbs of a small/mid sized midwestern city. Madison, WI, to be specific. Not the most gun-friendly place to live, but there is a market.

5- I lowball people, too. But I hate that term. I’m just politely making an offer and looking for a good deal. Sometimes people need to sell and will take most any, or the first, offer.
I don’t really understand why folks get their panties in a wad over this. If you don’t like my offer, just delete the email or politely refuse. It’s just a gun, not your wife. There’s no reason to be offended.

 

[mgresh]

I usually don't haggle much at all (maybe a little on used). I try to do the research before hand to know my options. When I am ready to buy, I've already decided this is a fair deal and my best option.

I am mid 40's and live in a rural area.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

I'm 63 and spent a lot of my previous adult life in countries where haggling was expected. Now I live in the rural area near a semi-city.
I pretty much ask if that's the "best price" if the situation is appropriate. Heck, got my new furnace humidifier by swapping the guy a broken riding mower... I've negotiated for other appliances that were the floor model and had some scratches, etc..
At yard, estate type sales and such I'll always make an offer if the price warrants it.

 

[Steve S.]

I do not haggle over small dollars; time has the greater value especially for old people. I can see that some people look at negotiating as a sport; it is a sport and worthwhile for me when larger amounts of money are involved. I think that the time spent to research and purchase the right investment instrument is a much better time/ return value than a back-and-forth for a couple of bucks but as noted, it is fun for some people (especially if both parties enjoy the process). In turn, money is an exchange tool and not a prize to me; money in and of itself is worthless - it is what it represents that brings value (like an ocean sunset on Oahu; the sunset is free but you have to get there to see one). One thing that having money teaches is that there is much more to life than money; I have always wished that everyone could be rich - think about how much better this planet could be for everyone. It is my hypocracy that I aggressively pursue investments to provide that which I know is not important so that I can buy exposure to that which is important (and sometimes more guns). Good shooting.

 

[mgresh]

I also take into account building a relationship, especially with a LGS. Over time, they (in most cases) appreciate your repeat business and offer you a deal without you having to ask. I've bought all of my vehicles from one dealer, all of my furniture and appliances from one 'local' place, and (almost) all of my guns from the same LGS, etc. Same goes for plumbers, electricians, and other services.

If I'm treated fairly and establish trust, I remain very loyal. I try to look for the same in those providing products and services.

 

[chicharrones]

I also take into account building a relationship, especially with a LGS. Over time, they (in most cases) appreciate your repeat business and offer you a deal without you having to ask. I've bought all of my vehicles from one dealer, all of my furniture and appliances from one 'local' place, and (almost) all of my guns from the same LGS, etc. Same goes for plumbers, electricians, and other services.

If I'm treated fairly and establish trust, I remain very loyal. I try to look for the same in those providing products and services.

Loyalty definitely goes both ways. Once I develop a good relationship with my customers, I usually have work from them for years on end. I have some customers that have been calling on me for two decades. Which is pretty good considering I've only got 22-1/2 years at this job.

That's why I feel the way I do about the good small gun shops. I will buy the slightly higher priced gun and ammo from them, and they genuinely welcome me back through the door. I might not go there enough for them to remember my name, but they know I'm not that guy that's going to waste their time.

 

[huntsman]

LoonWolf started a thread called: At what point is the line crossed between being an informed buyer and overly demanding? I didn't want to derail his thread, but I have some related questions, because LW's thread got me to thinking.

Let me premise this: I love haggling and horse-trading. I'm a trial attorney. In part, that makes me a professional negotiator, and that's one of the best parts of my job. If I buy or sell a gun, sometimes I'll spend 15-30 minutes talking to the other party. It's part negotiation, part shooting the breeze.

Here are my questions:
1) Do you haggle at all? This is partly covered in the other thread, and it appears that some folks just detest it.
2) If you do haggle, when? Used guns only? Or on any gun? Mom & Pop LGSs vs. large chain stores? I haggle on guns just about no matter what. When I bought my S&W Shield, I saw Academy's "Price match minus 5%" guarantee and used my smart phone to find a better competitor's price.
3) How old are you? I'm 48 and I always seem to find myself haggling with folks over 40. I don't know if that means younger folks don't haggle, or simply haven't learned the art.
4) Do you consider yourself urban or rural? I live in a city of ~100K, but I grew up in a town of ~6K. In a town that size, you could get a good deal by barter and bargain, but you really couldn't afford to rip the other guy off. You didn't want a reputation for cheating folks.
5) I try not to low ball anyone. I'd rather leave a few bucks on the table than insult the other party. Frankly, I may want or need to deal with them in the future. I don't want them coming back to the table with a bad taste already in their mouth. The question is "What do you consider low-balling?" If I have a gun solidly worth $1k, I'd consider any offer less than ~$750 a low ball. If someone wants to offer me $800, I'd just consider that a buyer trying to get a good deal. Nothing worth getting bent out of shape over.
6) Did I miss anything? What else do you thin affected your attitude towards price negotiations?

1. Yes

2. Guns used and new, garage and flea market stuff, scratch and dent from retail, automobiles. But beyond haggling I usually will try to buy stuff reduced, ie Cabela’s bargin cave

3. 58 raised by a father who grew up in the depression who not only haggled but never bought anything new if he could find it used

4. Rural family homestead for over 50 years

5. My definition of “lowball” would be less than 50% of retail, which magically is what dealers usually offer me for guns I want to sell

Buying from another guy haggling is fair game but the one gun I bought from a widow I had appraised and paid her top end of appraisal.

 

[sean m]

If the listings has a make an offer option, I will usually go half of the listed asking price.

Pawn shops, I'll ask what the best price put the door.

LGS, most here have their set price.

One however does do a few things that are odd. A $7 or $10 fee, (they say it 7s to cover the NICS processing) Haven't bought anything in a long time from them since their pricing is close to MSRP.

 

[Ramone]

I do haggle from time to time, but usually what I think of as Armenian style ( after some neighbors when I was growing up ). Instead of knocking down the price, I'll ask them to throw in something, like an extra mag or a box of ammo, maybe an hour or two of range time.

If I know that the seller has some wiggle room on price, I will usually ask if they can do better, but generally I find agreeing to the price and asking for something thrown in goes over pretty well.

I'm 55, and I grew up on Long Island, about 20 minutes by train outside NYC. I worked in kitchens through High School, did 4 years USMC, briefly sold Real Estate, then drifted from Auto Mechanics to the Marine Industry where I've spent the last 25 years.

To me, low balling is an unreasonably low price, so coming up from it makes it look like you're giving in. I won't do it. I might make a reasonable counter offer, but it's what I expect to pay.

 

[chicharrones]

I do haggle from time to time, but usually what I think of as Armenian style ( after some neighbors when I was growing up ). Instead of knocking down the price, I'll ask them to throw in something, like an extra mag or a box of ammo, maybe an hour or two of range time.

I've done that on the selling side as well. It can make a reluctant buyer say "yes".

 

[Charliefrank]

53 and from the country. There's nothing I like more than car shopping. I will lowball them like no tomorrow. I know coming into the deal there's a lot of money on the table, that most people leave there. I can usually buy a new car and have equity within two years.
When I lived in southern California I used to go down to Mexico once a week. Buying from the street vendors you never pay asking price. I really enjoy the haggling.
So when it comes to guns I love haggling. No haggling to be had at the Walmart or other big box stores to speak of. I go into the deal knowing what the particular firearm is worth/going for. Most gunshow vendors and pawn store owners expect some haggling. They expect to come down some and are thrilled when someone just agrees to the asking price. I start low expecting to meet in the middle. Everybody's happy, which is what's important in the end.

 

[foxmeadow]

Many years ago I lived along the Mexican border and would shop for groceries across the border. Great prices, nice people. I took a trip waaaay down into Mexico and was surprised at the higher prices in the markets down there. A gringo I met there told me to haggle on everything, which I discovered was actually expected of me by the vendors. If I didn't haggle, they perceived that I was arrogant and treated me accordingly. I became friends with a few after I learned to haggle..
The vendors in the border towns were used to gringo ways, I guess.

 

[FL-NC]

Business is business, and the seller can at any point say take it or leave it. I have no issues haggling at pawn shops, gun shows, private sales, etc. It comes down to 2 things- how bad does the buyer want it, and what will the seller accept. Sellers also have to consider how long they have had something and what they have in it- especially pawn shops. Any pawn shop that gets into anything high won't last long. I got a barely used gen 4 Glock for $300 OTD this way.

 

[bannockburn]

I come from pretty much a large metropolitan area and live in one of the outlying smaller suburbs that border nearby rural areas. Not as many gun shops as there use to be and typically I do most of my gun shopping at the local gun shows. I'm always respectful of the seller's position and never try a low ball offer as I know I wouldn't care for it if I were the seller. I ask questions about the gun I'm interested in and if it's priced reasonably and checks out okay I will either ask the seller what's their best price or else I might offer something a bit lower, see what they say, and go from there. Always felt it never hurts to ask.

 

[coswabbit]

I have, over the years since adolescence, adhered to the philosophy of buying from a miserly person and be able to sell to an individual from the Emerald Isle while still making a profit.
as such, I do not buy from an emotional position but from a position knowing I will turn it for either $$$ or another object to continue swapping.

 

[hdwhit]

Spats McGee wrote:
Let me premise this: I love haggling and horse-trading. I'm a trial attorney. In part, that makes me a professional negotiator, and that's one of the best parts of my job. If I buy or sell a gun, sometimes I'll spend 15-30 minutes talking to the other party. It's part negotiation, part shooting the breeze.

My career has been to provide expert advice and testimony to trial attorneys involved in complex litigation involving the failure of a product, process or system to perform as designed. And since the attorneys routinely remind me words matter, I can't imagine a time when an attorney isn't analyzing what the other party is saying - even if only on a subconscious level.

1) Do you haggle at all? This is partly covered in the other thread, and it appears that some folks just detest it.

Sure. If the other party is open to it And if I am in a position where I can walk out the door if the negotiation is not successful.

One of my sons has a congenital birth defect. Insurance does not cover his maxilliofacial orthodontist's work, so I negotiate on the price, but I don't push too hard because if we were to reach an impasse with the guy there's nobody else to take my son to.

On the other hand, if it's a car that five other dealers in the Dallas area have on their lot, or a handgun that twenty other dealers have on their shelves, then I can push a lot harder.

2) If you do haggle, when? Used guns only? Or on any gun? Mom & Pop LGSs vs. large chain stores? I haggle on guns just about no matter what. When I bought my S&W Shield, I saw Academy's "Price match minus 5%" guarantee and used my smart phone to find a better competitor's price.

I'll probe to see if the other party is open to negotiation and if they are, I'll haggle on most anything. Guns, Cars, Car repair, Furniture, Electronics, Services, Medical and Dental care.

And I don't limit my negotiation to price. If the other party isn't open to moving on price, they may be willing to sweeten the deal some other way. Throw in a box of ammunition. Throw in a free oil change. Once they have moved off the "sidelines" and are "in the game" it's easier to get them to participate in a negotiation.

3) How old are you? I'm 48 and I always seem to find myself haggling with folks over 40. I don't know if that means younger folks don't haggle, or simply haven't learned the art.

Retirement age. Around here, it seems the people whose families are from other cultures (Africa, Middle East, South Asia) where negotiation is more familiar are more willing to negotiate, rather than depending on the age of the person.

My older son, 28, is just naturally outgoing, willing to negotiate and he does so successfully. He is more successful at getting deals sweetened than getting the price changed. My younger son, 18, is more introverted and doesn't negotiate much, if at all.

4) Do you consider yourself urban or rural? I live in a city of ~100K, but I grew up in a town of ~6K. In a town that size, you could get a good deal by barter and bargain, but you really couldn't afford to rip the other guy off. You didn't want a reputation for cheating folks.

When I moved to the town I live in now, it had 5,700 people and was far enough from Dallas that Dallas did not consider it a suburb and it didn't consider itself to be affiliated with Dallas. It still had a rural character that it managed to hold onto for a short time. After spending much of the 2000's as the second fastest growing city in America, it's now well over 100,000 and is decidedly suburban slowly transitioning to having an urban core.

5) I try not to low ball anyone. I'd rather leave a few bucks on the table than insult the other party. Frankly, I may want or need to deal with them in the future. I don't want them coming back to the table with a bad taste already in their mouth. The question is "What do you consider low-balling?" If I have a gun solidly worth $1k, I'd consider any offer less than ~$750 a low ball. If someone wants to offer me $800, I'd just consider that a buyer trying to get a good deal. Nothing worth getting bent out of shape over.

I confess to having a tendency towards being a "bottom feeder". I don't want to cause someone to go into financial distress - like you say I may need to deal with them in the future, but if they look like they're already preparing the Chapter 7 or 11 filing (or soon will be), I don't mind offering to step in and provide liquidity if I can get something worthwhile out of the deal.

It helps that I have some unusual interests, too. So, I might be willing to take some guy's entire stock of dusty ALICE gear if he'll make me a deal on it that catches my attention. Of course, I have to be careful doing that because I'm sometimes negotiating to buy something without being up to date on what it's really worth and I've overpaid as well as having gotten some good deals. Going with your gut you sometimes make mistakes.

6) Did I miss anything? What else do you thin affected your attitude towards price negotiations?

No. Like an attorney, you crafted the questions to elicit the information you were looking for.

 

[LoonWulf]

LoonWolf started a thread called: At what point is the line crossed between being an informed buyer and overly demanding? I didn't want to derail his thread, but I have some related questions, because LW's thread got me to thinking.

Let me premise this: I love haggling and horse-trading. I'm a trial attorney. In part, that makes me a professional negotiator, and that's one of the best parts of my job. If I buy or sell a gun, sometimes I'll spend 15-30 minutes talking to the other party. It's part negotiation, part shooting the breeze.

Here are my questions:
1) Do you haggle at all? This is partly covered in the other thread, and it appears that some folks just detest it.
2) If you do haggle, when? Used guns only? Or on any gun? Mom & Pop LGSs vs. large chain stores? I haggle on guns just about no matter what. When I bought my S&W Shield, I saw Academy's "Price match minus 5%" guarantee and used my smart phone to find a better competitor's price.
3) How old are you? I'm 48 and I always seem to find myself haggling with folks over 40. I don't know if that means younger folks don't haggle, or simply haven't learned the art.
4) Do you consider yourself urban or rural? I live in a city of ~100K, but I grew up in a town of ~6K. In a town that size, you could get a good deal by barter and bargain, but you really couldn't afford to rip the other guy off. You didn't want a reputation for cheating folks.
5) I try not to low ball anyone. I'd rather leave a few bucks on the table than insult the other party. Frankly, I may want or need to deal with them in the future. I don't want them coming back to the table with a bad taste already in their mouth. The question is "What do you consider low-balling?" If I have a gun solidly worth $1k, I'd consider any offer less than ~$750 a low ball. If someone wants to offer me $800, I'd just consider that a buyer trying to get a good deal. Nothing worth getting bent out of shape over.
6) Did I miss anything? What else do you thin affected your attitude towards price negotiations?

1 and 2. Ill haggle if thats what the seller wants to do. Some folks do, some dont, usually if you talk to them for a few mins before starting the "opening bid" part of the conversation you can usually tell if they want to play ball or not. It can be a fun process, but again if Im standing there im willing to pay what they were asking for the item.
3. 35
4. Rural
5. I consider 75-80% below a REASONABLE asking price to be a good starting point when someone is into haggling. 60% or below is low ball. If the asking price is unreasonable, i may inquire with the seller, but im unlikely to start trying to get them to come down to what i consider reasonable.
6. Im also swayed by how much fun the other person is to haggle with, it IS a game and sometimes you gotta give it to someone for a good play.

 

[Spats McGee]

Thank you, one and all, for your input. This has been very interesting reading.

I also negotiate (as others have mentioned) on ways to "sweeten the deal," without necessarily changing the price. Throw in an extra magazine, maybe some gun cleaning supplies, a box of Thin Mints . . . I'm flexible. Last time I sold a revolver, I took a speedloader and a box of ammo with me when I went to meet the buyer. I came down a little on price, he came up on his offer and when he and I were getting close to a deal, but he was still hemming and hawing a little, I threw the speedloader (or two?) in to seal the deal. I wanted his cash more than I wanted that speedloader, I guess.

I'll also admit that I won't press a negotiation as hard at a small LGS as I will in some other instances. I'll give up a few bucks to help keep them in business.

 

[CRP82]

I try to haggle on things I find on Private Party deals. If I go to a retail store and I have found something substantially cheaper online or another store, I will ask them to match it, otherwise I buy it where it is cheaper.

Cars, guns, whatever, if a private party lists it, they will usually price it to where if it comes down a little they can be happy. Heck even I do this. I know what my stuff is worth (or so enough research to get a pretty good idea) and will usually list a little high on sites like Craigslist, knowing that sometimes and unknowing buyer will buy at my price, no haggling. If a buyer doing their research calls me on it being high, I ask them to make an offer, and see where we get. Depending on what it is, I may or may not let it go cheaper than what I think it’s worth.

When buying, if I come across a good deal (in my eyes), I will usually offer asking price and be done with it. If their item is high I will inform them of other pricing I have found and go from there. If something is obscenely low, and I buy it, I don’t feel bad. People have every opportunity to do their own research, and it is all at our fIngertips, literally. Now if I sense they are completely unsure (sometimes people have no idea what they are selling) out of good conscious I will tell them and may not buy unless they consider a fair offer. If they refuse, at least they were informed and I buy it at what they asked for it. I have walked away with a few tools from a garage sale recently worth a few hundred dollars for about 25$. The family was selling things from their dads estate. They knew things were worth more, acknowledged they knew it, and said this stuff isn’t collectible or family heirloom, so we just need it out of our garage since they were things they didn’t have any use for.

I am not scared to turn someone away when selling or walk away when buying. Sometimes we just can’t work it out. No hard feelings, it is the nature of buying and selling.

 

[JT-AR-MG42]

Now if I sense they are completely unsure (sometimes people have no idea what they are selling)... If they refuse, at least they were informed and I buy it at what they asked for it.

Well put, and same here. Doing right by someone is right.

As I was leaving a gun show several years ago, I walked by an older man carrying several pounds of powder.
I perked up (since there was a powder shortage of sorts going on), but only out of general interest. I was
covered pretty well before the shortage started.
I politely commented that he should have no trouble selling that three lbs. of powder and "What was he asking for it anyway?'
At his answer of 'Three dollars a lb.', I told him that he could easily get much more without really trying.
He then said 'I know, but I want to sell it all without having to spend all day shopping it around.'
Me. 'How much do you have?.' Him, 'Over one hundred cans.'
We went back to his rig where I inspected the cans, most un-opened, and bought it all for 300.
AFTER asking again if he was sure the deal was okay.

Spats, I think you covered it pretty well.

Especially No.5.
I will usually always try to get price down, whether a gun show, garage sale, or Cabela's.
I see no purpose whatsoever in lowballing with a ridiculous number and 80% is a reasonable bottom (if I feel the original asking price is reasonable to start with).
If the seller is WAY too high to start with, i.e. 90% of the stuff on GB lately, I don't bother with it at all.
I wouldn't be looking at something if I was not interested and do not want to jeopardize the buy.
If the seller feels insulted enough, he may just take it personal (even though it is business) and say 'no deal at any price'. I've seen it happen.

If there are no other customers within reach, I'll put the item back back down (the act of distancing yourself from the item) and ask 'Any room for an offer?', or 'Are you hard at that price?'
Sometimes, on my second stop by, I will ask again if xxx is the best they can do today.
I've never asked about the price three times though, I would take that personally and figure the seller might as well.

Although,if you are the first in line on that item ( and really figure to get it with other shoppers at the table), I recommend you do not set it down.
No negotiating is possible if you did not get hold of the item first (like at a show).

More than once I've come back to a table that had a gun I was fully intending to offer on (or buy at his price if you had to), only
to find a small crowd around with someone handling the gun you wanted to offer on. You can only crowd in next to them as you wait for them to decide.
Many times they reach a deal with the seller and you're out of luck.
But then there are times one is rewarded with a second chance. When the guy sets the gun back on the table (with no bargain struck!), I'll wait until he straightens up,
pick up the gun, and in one motion hold it out for the seller to take hold of, while saying 'I'll take it'.

One last, I NEVER say (to the seller) 'Can I make you an offer if you will not be insulted?' for the same reason that
when a person says that to me as a seller I say 'No'.
Because an insult is definitely on the way.

JT

 

[huntsman]

I stopped at a yardsale and the woman had a monster maul, jack-n-saw and a really nice set of fireplace tools, she said they belonged to her Ex and he was supposed to pick them up, I offered $25.00 for everything and with a smile she took it. Sold the maul for $50. And kept everything else.

 

[ourway77]

That seems to be a way of life at yard sales you can have an item selling at a rock bottom price and some one will low ball. When I post a FS as I have on many other sights 6BR, Greybeard outdoors. I will put firm or no low balls please I blame no one foe trying to get some thing as low as they can . If I don't like the price I keep it to myself If I do question a seller I do it by private message. I have not posted anything here yet as I haven't had what's required to do so Most I been reading a lot of the post