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Forgot about the Savage... that new accutrigger they have is AWESOME and Savages are extremely accurate for the money.
Help Me Buy A New Deer Rifle
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Art:
I noticed you have a Remington Ti, I heard some spotty stuff on this back and forth but nothing I trusted. Can you tell me how you like the Ti? I am really interested how it groups, I know it has a light contour barrel so 5 shot rapid fire groups is note its strong suit, but seriously how do you like it? It is on the short list of interesting next rifles. I really want to semi retire my ol 33/40 mauser after this deer season as the wood is just to nice to pack around in rough country, and the Ti is intersting, but I am waffling all over between this and a carbon/stainless steel version.
I noticed you have a Remington Ti, I heard some spotty stuff on this back and forth but nothing I trusted. Can you tell me how you like the Ti? I am really interested how it groups, I know it has a light contour barrel so 5 shot rapid fire groups is note its strong suit, but seriously how do you like it? It is on the short list of interesting next rifles. I really want to semi retire my ol 33/40 mauser after this deer season as the wood is just to nice to pack around in rough country, and the Ti is intersting, but I am waffling all over between this and a carbon/stainless steel version.
Art Eatman
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The Ti? I double-ell Love it!
I get three-shot groups of one MOA with a Weaver V3, which with my old eyes is superb! (I rarely bother with five-shot groups anymore, particularly from a hunting rifle.)
After I first sighted it in, I then decided to lighten the trigger pull. I discovered during disassembly that the stock screws weren't really tight. After reassembly and torquing the stock screws properly, my next group had the same point of impact as before. Go figure!
I get the same POI with handloads as with factory.
With the 22" barrel it balances well; maybe a skosh muzzle-biased, which is great.
6-1/4 pounds with scope, sling and four rounds. What's not to like?
, Art
I get three-shot groups of one MOA with a Weaver V3, which with my old eyes is superb! (I rarely bother with five-shot groups anymore, particularly from a hunting rifle.)
After I first sighted it in, I then decided to lighten the trigger pull. I discovered during disassembly that the stock screws weren't really tight. After reassembly and torquing the stock screws properly, my next group had the same point of impact as before. Go figure!
I get the same POI with handloads as with factory.
With the 22" barrel it balances well; maybe a skosh muzzle-biased, which is great.
6-1/4 pounds with scope, sling and four rounds. What's not to like?
, ArtAfter fiddling with my new 700 I was hoping for a little more accurate. My old mauser was giving me just a little over .5 MOA, but it has a heavier contour barrel.
I had a Remington 7mm short mag in my mind. Actually I had a custom 284 in my mind but I am exploring other options to avoid the custom. I figured in a short mag I could load it down most of the time and have the 2850 FPS with a 140 grain nolser that I want, but would have the option of hot rod loads if I ever needed to.
Yeah I didn't miss the wieght savings, I just wonder what the Saum would be like in that light rifle.
Your rifle sounds like it is giving much closer to what I had expected in the accuracy department, than what I had read, what I read they couldn't get below 1.5-2 MOA and I figured something was dead wrong. Wonder if they needed to torque the stock screws?
Is the bolt Titanium also? How do you lap the lugs and true the action on one of these?
Thanks for letting me be a pest but your one of a very few people I have run into who owns one of the Ti's.
I had a Remington 7mm short mag in my mind. Actually I had a custom 284 in my mind but I am exploring other options to avoid the custom. I figured in a short mag I could load it down most of the time and have the 2850 FPS with a 140 grain nolser that I want, but would have the option of hot rod loads if I ever needed to.
Yeah I didn't miss the wieght savings, I just wonder what the Saum would be like in that light rifle.
Your rifle sounds like it is giving much closer to what I had expected in the accuracy department, than what I had read, what I read they couldn't get below 1.5-2 MOA and I figured something was dead wrong. Wonder if they needed to torque the stock screws?
Is the bolt Titanium also? How do you lap the lugs and true the action on one of these?
Thanks for letting me be a pest but your one of a very few people I have run into who owns one of the Ti's.
Art Eatman
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Yeah, they're pricey little devils--and I see they've gone up $50--but I'm indulging my old tired legs...
The bolt is stainless.
http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/700titanium.htm gives such specs as are available at the Remington website.
The way I look at it, for all practical purposes for most deer hunting, the package's only advantage is weight. In a stand that's unimportant, but I've always been a walking hunter.
I've just never seen the need for more than an '06 unless you're really trying to play Ma Bell in elk country. I've never figured on magnum power as a substitute for proper shot placement...
I've always been a long-barrel proponent, based on ballistics--particularly for the '06. And I've hunted a fair amount of time in the thick, thorny brush around Uvalde, Texas, as well as the open country there. The lack of "short-gun" and "handiness" never bothered me. If I only hunted in thick, brushy stuff or jungly areas like the Appalachicola River bottoms of Florida, I'd probably think differently.
, Art
The bolt is stainless.
http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/700titanium.htm gives such specs as are available at the Remington website.
The way I look at it, for all practical purposes for most deer hunting, the package's only advantage is weight. In a stand that's unimportant, but I've always been a walking hunter.
I've just never seen the need for more than an '06 unless you're really trying to play Ma Bell in elk country. I've never figured on magnum power as a substitute for proper shot placement...
I've always been a long-barrel proponent, based on ballistics--particularly for the '06. And I've hunted a fair amount of time in the thick, thorny brush around Uvalde, Texas, as well as the open country there. The lack of "short-gun" and "handiness" never bothered me. If I only hunted in thick, brushy stuff or jungly areas like the Appalachicola River bottoms of Florida, I'd probably think differently.
, ArtActually I am not looking for magnum performance at all, hence my 2850fps with a 140 gr bullet. I am looking for 280 or 284 level. The problem is the 7mm-08 is what is being currently chambered, there are a couple 280's and the 284 for all purposes is dead. And the next stop is magnums.
I do like a light short rifle, I hunt the Bitteroots in Northern Idao exclusively and it is thick straigh up and down country. My current rifle is a 20" barrel in a 7x57, I could stretch 2", and none of the factory contours really ring my bell.
I had a Remington 700 action in mind, chambered in 284 Win, with a 21" Krieger barrel in a #4 heavy sporter contour. What got me to the 284 over the other cartridges is how well this cartridge works in short barrels, all the other 7mm's start losing velocity quickly with the short tubes. My gunsmith always starts off reasoning with me before I fund custom projects, and if I can buy something real close makes real good agruements why I shouldn't go the custom route, or a least put me through the mental exercise. I haven't even convinced myself I am going to be happy with the loss of the CRF function, over the ol mauser, when and if I switch.
I buy a fair amout of guns and replacing this ol mauser has been the hardest gun purchasing decision I have probably ever made. I been packing that 7x57 for about 20 years, its never failed me ever. Every deer I have shoot in the last 18 yrs was with that rifle, and the gun that replaces it really needs to shine or the whole replacement process will be for naught and I will grab the mauser.
The Ti has a lot gong for it and why it sparked my interest, my issue is it will be like losing and old friend, and this for me is as hard or harder than replacing my carry gun, I need a lot of confidence in the new platform.
Thanks for your input.
I do like a light short rifle, I hunt the Bitteroots in Northern Idao exclusively and it is thick straigh up and down country. My current rifle is a 20" barrel in a 7x57, I could stretch 2", and none of the factory contours really ring my bell.
I had a Remington 700 action in mind, chambered in 284 Win, with a 21" Krieger barrel in a #4 heavy sporter contour. What got me to the 284 over the other cartridges is how well this cartridge works in short barrels, all the other 7mm's start losing velocity quickly with the short tubes. My gunsmith always starts off reasoning with me before I fund custom projects, and if I can buy something real close makes real good agruements why I shouldn't go the custom route, or a least put me through the mental exercise. I haven't even convinced myself I am going to be happy with the loss of the CRF function, over the ol mauser, when and if I switch.
I buy a fair amout of guns and replacing this ol mauser has been the hardest gun purchasing decision I have probably ever made. I been packing that 7x57 for about 20 years, its never failed me ever. Every deer I have shoot in the last 18 yrs was with that rifle, and the gun that replaces it really needs to shine or the whole replacement process will be for naught and I will grab the mauser.
The Ti has a lot gong for it and why it sparked my interest, my issue is it will be like losing and old friend, and this for me is as hard or harder than replacing my carry gun, I need a lot of confidence in the new platform.
Thanks for your input.
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Well, I don't know near as much about this stuff as ya'll do, of that I am sure. However, I do know that Titanium, while lighter than steel is only really stronger than aluminum. It isn't stronger than steel. So, for someone like me, who shoots a lot, I would rather have an all-steel gun if for nothing else, it would limit the things I can blame my shortcomings on.
Plus, I am 27 and in decent shape so I don't mind dragging a 10 pound rifle through this nice triple canopy jungle called South Carolina.
Plus, I am 27 and in decent shape so I don't mind dragging a 10 pound rifle through this nice triple canopy jungle called South Carolina.
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I believe Art has a 7mm-08.
Art Eatman
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Yup. 7mm08.
Yeah, a mile or two with a nine- to ten-pound rifle is not really that big a deal. Twelve or fifteen miles, though, in upping-and-downing mountain country can give you a serious case of shoulder sag by the time you get back to camp. Makes you appreciate a quart of water and a couple of cold beers, though. Oh, and a chair.
Art
Yeah, a mile or two with a nine- to ten-pound rifle is not really that big a deal. Twelve or fifteen miles, though, in upping-and-downing mountain country can give you a serious case of shoulder sag by the time you get back to camp.
Makes you appreciate a quart of water and a couple of cold beers, though. Oh, and a chair. Art
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Sulaco, I think you'll be real happy with that Remington. I've developed an itch for a 7-08 myself and was thinking of getting it in the Win featherweight, but I do like the looks of the mountain rifle. Look foreward to your report on how it shoots.
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Gunrunner, in the end, my decision was made on how practical the rifle would be for me. What I mean is, in my opinion, both are excellent rifles and will do what I want and then some. Both are nice looking and fairly light, as well as handy in overall size. However, the Remington, while equal the Winchester, is lighter, has a matte finish to the steel and wood, has a detachable magazine and a raised cheekpiece to name a few things.
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Excellent choice (I have a 700 Mountain in .30-06, as well).
I find that with the factory-loaded Core-Lokt stuff at Wally World, mine gets about 1.5" groups. The barrel gets awful hot, though.
I find that with the factory-loaded Core-Lokt stuff at Wally World, mine gets about 1.5" groups. The barrel gets awful hot, though.
The Mountain rifle is really handy. I think the .280 chambering would be great for whitetail. I've looked at it a number of times and think that with the laminated stock and light weight, it works better thatn the model 7o
If you intend to use the bolt rifle for bigger game, you may want to move to the 30-06 or 7mm mag. If not the 7mm-08 or .280 would be great, and can be loaded more heavily for larger game when necessary, but won't shoot as flat as the 30-06 or 7m mmag (or 300 mag, etc.). The two cartridges you are looking at are both reasonably easy shooting with pretty good power.
Probably can't go wrong either way.
If you intend to use the bolt rifle for bigger game, you may want to move to the 30-06 or 7mm mag. If not the 7mm-08 or .280 would be great, and can be loaded more heavily for larger game when necessary, but won't shoot as flat as the 30-06 or 7m mmag (or 300 mag, etc.). The two cartridges you are looking at are both reasonably easy shooting with pretty good power.
Probably can't go wrong either way.
What about the Tikka T-3? I just bought one for the wife. It is the lite stainless in .308, with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9 40. Awesome trigger, and the smoothest bolt action. Only negative to the gun, is Beretta wants a fortune for extra mags.($80). With the scope, it weights a little over 6 3/4 lbs. And in .308(7.62 nato), plenty of mil surplus ammo, CHEAP to practice and plink with! 500 rounds shipped for about $80 bucks! Charlie
I am not of fan of magazines on hunting rifles in general, and magazines on bolt action rifles in particular.
This leaves me cold on some CZ models, Tikkas, the DM Remingtons etc.
My preference is a "STEEL" floorplate, nothing to get lost, nothing hanging off the bottom when its on the bench.
Doesn't mean I don't like mag rifles but I reserve that for semi's.
My $.02 which probably disagrees with a lot folks.
This leaves me cold on some CZ models, Tikkas, the DM Remingtons etc.
My preference is a "STEEL" floorplate, nothing to get lost, nothing hanging off the bottom when its on the bench.
Doesn't mean I don't like mag rifles but I reserve that for semi's.
My $.02 which probably disagrees with a lot folks.
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