Help me write a letter to my school re: CCW

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In response to a rash of crime and attacks on students on and around campus (downtown Flint, MI), the school has sent out an email asking for suggestions on improving campus safety. I'm going to suggest removing the school policy banning firearms on campus for CHL holders (yeah right, but I feel I should suggest it). Check out the draft of the letter I'm writing and please make comments.


In response to the question of what could be done to improve safety on campus:

One thing that needs to be addressed is the current policy on firearms on campus. It is my understanding that all possession of firearms on campus is prohibited, although I've been unable to find that in writing anywhere. In response to the crime in flint, I obtained a concealed handgun license so that I can have a means of defending myself when away from home. I know of several other Kettering students that have done the same.

Of course, with the current firearms policy, we are unarmed and vulnerable to attack anytime we are on campus. Unfortunately, current Michigan state law prohibits the carrying of a handgun in a University or College classroom or dormitory. Carrying in all other areas of campus is legal, but against school policy. If this policy were revised to exclude those with a valid state concealed handgun license, it would allow students such as myself to carry a gun on campus if we were not attending classes. This would be a great safety improvement for students who may stay at school late working on a project and have to walk home after dark, or pass through campus while walking to a friends house at night.

I realize that this idea is likely unpopular among administration, but I hope that those responsible for the safety of our student body will realize that allowing licensed students to carry on campus as they do elsewhere in flint is not a risk to the school. Licensees have received many hours of training and have passed extensive background checks, and pose a threat only to criminals. Also, under Michigan state law the school would hold no liability for actions of CHL holders on the school grounds.
 
Send the letter in. All they can say is no. You will be none the worse for that.

That said:
It is possible they will say yes - well - maybe. Oh hell - let's be realistic - the sun has a better chance of blinking out tomorrow than there is of your university changing it's firearm policy.
 
Also, under Michigan state law the school would hold no liability for actions of CHL holders on the school grounds.
It is not so clear that the school would be free of liability if a person should suffer harm because the same school which, as a matter of policy, disarmed him, also failed to provide adequate security; this may be viewed as reasonably forseeable by a jury in a civil case.
 
More emphasis on training.

My only suggestion is that I would put a little more emphasis on your training and background check. Those are the only two things that may persuade them to change their policy.

Good luck.
 
I think the point here is, if you have foreseen the possibility that you might be harmed, and have responsibily done everything you can to be armed, then the school, by disarming you, assumes an absolute liability for your safety.

If you're the victim of a violent crime on campus, you should sue them -- and so should any other student who is victimized.
 
I would drop the part about you having a CCW permit. Speak of CCW in more general terms: “Some students would qualify for concealed-weapons permits …â€

~G. Fink
 
Check your state and local law to see if your suggestion conflicts with statutes already on the books.
 
Do you mind telling us the name of the school? I'd like to look up the homicide rates.
 
Kettering university. Flint, Michigan. 48504. Homicide rates were pretty bad last time I checked. I'll have to investigate the liability issue more, I'm not familiar with michigan law. I know in the new ohio law a business is absolved from liability whether they allow ccw on premisis or not.
 
The actual campus at Kettering is very small, and all students except freshman live off campus. Crimes commited off campus are handled by the apathetic Flint police, not campus security so I'm not sure they would be reported on that website. Until recently it was the unoffical policy for the campus security (unarmed) to not involve themself with anything that happened off campus.

They have realized this year that it really is in the best interest of the school to keep their students safe and they've taken some measures to this end including patroling the student neighborhoods at night and hiring a Flint police officer to patrol the area at night, for whatever good that does.
 
I go to school with cfabe, I've been talking to several other students about sending similar letters in so maybe even if they don't lift the ban they'll at least see that there is a large desire for it from the student body. My thoughts on the letter were to mention that in the vast majority of altercations the CCW holder does not have to fire and the mere presence of the gun stops the attack. Also, we have one of the biggest student SAE memberships in the country despite being such a small school which means we have dozens of students involved in our collegiate racing programs. These involve using power saws, plasma cutters, welders, grinders, etc. If they trust us to use power tools safely (with no licensing) then surely they can trust well trained people licensed by the state to carry concealed.
 
It wouldn't hurt to make your point using the history of violent and lethal confrontations found at many universities and colleges.

Here's one example: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/11/national/main553358.shtml

Again, put emphasis on the rigors of obtaining a CCW permit: holders are responsible, law-respecting people. Also make a point that schools and universities are well-known to be disarmed locations, potentially making them a target.
 
It is my understanding that all possession of firearms on campus is prohibited, although I've been unable to find that in writing anywhere.

Is there anything in the student handbook, etc? If it's an unwritten rule, it may be easier to get forgiveness after the fact than permission before the fact...
 
I'm fully aware of the state law. I should still be allowed to carry walking across campus to a friends apartment or if I am working on a project in the student garage late at night. Neither of these would be prohibited under state law.
 
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