Here's a new one 458 HAM'R

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Thanks but I'll stick with .50 Beowulf.

Also only 7 and 9 round mags?? .50 Beo can stuff 10 in a standard AR mag, and was designed specifically to be a combat battle cartridge, not a hunting round.
 
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Anyone got the specs on their hybrid AR-12.5? Is it anything but a DPMS GII?

Looks like what a .458soc should have been, without the headaches inherent to the round. I've been wondering if we'd see rounds designed around this "mid-length" AR ever since the GII's launched, and now here we are. Might be an interesting revival of the AR-10/LR308/GII...
 
Looks like what VT said, a Socom set up to rum higher pressure.

The one blurb i found talking about the reciever said that its .75" shorter than an ar-10....i dont own an ar-10 so have no idea what that makes it.
 
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Looks really close to the 458 socom in a much more expensive proprietary rifle. Yeah, more pressure, but not a lot more performance. Not for me, if i need that I'd be using the 45 raptor. Or a REAL stopping rifle. Or some custom of my own....
 
450 Bushmaster
45-70 Auto
458 SOCOM
458 HAM'R
45 Raptor

I am sure they all have there positives but if they just managed to standardize, maybe they could get something going.

.300 blackout
.30-30
7.62x39
.300Savage
.30-40Krag
.30Thompson Center
.307win
.308marlin
.308win
7.62x54
.303 Brit
.30-03
.30-06
.300wsm
.300rsaum
.300Ruger Compact Mag
.30 Nosler
.300wm
.300H&H
.300RUM
.300wby
.300-378
....

There's room...
 
.300 blackout
.30-30
7.62x39
.300Savage
.30-40Krag
.30Thompson Center
.307win
.308marlin
.308win
7.62x54
.303 Brit
.30-03
.30-06
.300wsm
.300rsaum
.300Ruger Compact Mag
.30 Nosler
.300wm
.300H&H
.300RUM
.300wby
.300-378
....

There's room...

Half of those are obsolete and others soon will be.
 
I freely admit that I'm not the target market for this, but I honestly can't think of who would be.

Hunters?

I've not noticed a deficit of killing ability with any of the .30 Cal and under cartridges I've used on elk, deer, antelope, hogs, etc. What does this buy you besides more recoil and worse trajectory. Are people really looking for an AR to hunt stuff larger or than elk with?

Hunters who just like big bores?

How is this better for medium game than the .458 Socom, .450 Bushmaster, .50 Beowulf, 45 Raptor, etc?

Folks who want to plink with big bores?

Given the cost, I would think this would be a small market, maybe I'm wrong.


Who is this for?
 
I have an AR in .358 WSSM. 200 grains at about 2,8-2,900. About 3,500 ft-lbs Standard length receiver.

Its killed deer to a lasered 279 yards. If a manufacturer wanted something in an AR package with a lot of thump, you'd think that would be a natural. Dunno.
 
I think they're just bumping into a saturated market and trying to sell something nobody else has.

It's pretty hard to sell an AR these days. The high end AR's and 1911's will always sell because of the Wilson brand.

Cucci has the same marketing strategy. They aren't just shoes, they're Gucci's.

Wilson can sell a 1911 for 5 times what Colt can.:eek: In the end it's still just a 1911.
 
I think there is a niche market of guys who really want that .450bush, 458soc, and .50beo, and there are a few folks in that group who have been disappointed by bolt failures in these monsters - or by the relatively lack luster performance compared to their case sizes; rifles which have to run outdated pressure standards lest they fail. How does a guy get around that? Build an AR-10 upper as short as an AR-15, build a round which fits AR-15 mags, and run the pressure up to AR-10(ish) levels... kinda the same mentality as the .450Marlin, which didn't do anything for the reloader the 1895 didn't do before; just a higher pressure cartridge so factory ammo could be high pressure without customer confusion... guys still build 458/450/50's, so this one standing tall above the rest, with better durability will be an interesting twist for the guys who like to say, "the Joneses try to keep up with ME!"

I think it's an easy market too - new cartridges in a bolt rifle are hard to sell, because it's all been done, and frankly, not many folks get worked up about bolt rifles. AR's are really all the same, so their buyers look for ANYTHING to stand them apart from the other AR's at the range... I still get guys every year asking me to build them .458socom or .450bushmaster... Mike Milli still sells his WSSM AR's and uppers, NEMO still sells Omen's... there's a huge market for the "I have the only one in the state" AR-15...
 
Looks like what VT said, a Socom set up to rum higher pressure.

The one blurb i found talking about the reciever said that its .75" shorter than an ar-10....i dont own an ar-10 so have no idea what that makes it.
 
Only the CMMG 458 Socom runs the heavier AR-10 bolt and upper. Everyone else runs an AR-15 upper with a bolt that's had its face substantially milled out and therefore substantially less durable. Also the 458 Socom based on a AR-10 shoots much softer than one based on a flimsy AR-15. My cmmg kicks no harder than my M1A 308 and not as hard as my garand 30 ought 6. The cmmg receiver is essentially an AR-10 that has been shortened by three quarters of an inch but it's still a lot beefier than an AR-15.
 
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