ok you'se guys i know you know and maybe be kind enough to share.. anyway i always wanted a model 19 4incher with those nice smith target grips anyway today i found one for 275.oo like new but no box anyway i'll get to my point i dont have access to it as i layed it away i am poor it is a model 19-4 any idea on the date of birth ?. i cant get to the serial number now as the store is closed. but it doesnt have the big smith trademark thing on the right side of frame. it is a small mark on the left under the cylinder release. it is a 4 incher in blue obvioulsy it is a 19 duh. it has the big smith target grips with the emblem in the middle. well help a pal huh? thanks in advance