"High capacity" mags will be banned across the USA.

[Cosmoline]

Well yes that's because Biden has been meeting exclusively with supporters of gun control. He's supposed to be meeting with NRA reps but apart from them and maybe the WalMart guys, he's brought the choir in to cheer him on. These are not open meetings.

 

[BHP FAN]

VTail said....''The solution is so simple.

They should just pass a law saying nobody can use a semi-automatic weapon to commit a crime.

That would solve everything...sheesh''




genius!

 

[HorseSoldier]

If I thought it would help the argument at all, I'd personally be willing to go head to head with Diane Feinstein on a shooting range. Say 50 steel IPSC C-zone targets, or maybe 50 military pop-up targets, scattered from 7-75 meters.

Feinstein can have an M4A1 with as many Surefire-60 mags as she can carry plus an M9 or other high capacity 9mm of her choice and however many double stack mags for that she can carry also. I'll take an AR with a double basic load of 30 round mags pinned to hold only 10 rounds and a single stack handgun with less than 10 rounds in the mags for it. To keep it sporting, let's add that if at any point it takes me more than 10 seconds to reload, transition, or clear a stoppage I'm disqualified. Whoever pings or drops all fifty targets first wins.

Of course, rather than demonstrating some of the fallacies in Feinstein et al's notions of "solutions" I'm sure it would just encourage her in her overall belief that all guns are too dangerous to exist.

 

[GBExpat]

Such a ban would create a whole new class of criminals well-populated by many/most of the tens of millions of firearms enthusiasts.

So did mandating everyone carry car insurance. It effected millions. When driving your car became illegal without insurance people thought about the consequences and then bought insurance. I realize that driving a car is not a recognized right in the Constitution and I'm not trying to equate gun ownership to car driving. I'm simply saying that the idea that a law will effect millions has rarely been enough to stop it being enacted.

I am not suggesting that it would.

What I am suggesting is that many/most of the firearms enthusiasts would choose to not buy the "car insurance" if such a ban were enacted.

 

[gym]

Is a shotgun with a rod in it that limits it to 3 rounds, part of this proposed ban? Or is it the fact that the gun is able to be converted into a 7 round magazine problematic. As all but side to side or over and under shotguns would be banned also if they took over 3 rounds from what I read, is this correct?
So if you block the magazine size on AR's and other weapons, does that make them legal "if this nonsense is put in effect"?
It would seem that it would have to be that way, as before in the prior ban, the guns were able to take hi cap mags, with no alteration.
There is really no other way to do it without making 50% of the guns illegal. Anyone can make a larger magazine with some expertise. A revolver is the only gun that you could physically limit.

 

[ScrapMetalSlug]

The problem is easily solved if it only effects NY state. Just move. I am sure you won't miss having the highest income tax in the country either. Everyone talks about states rights when it is the fed gov infringing, but not when the state starts to infringe on individuals. If you still want to live in New England, gun friendly VT and NH aren't that far away.

I think the reason Biden is talking about executive orders now, is they know they do not have the votes to pass any new gun legislation through congress on a national level. However, that will not keep states with the worst gun control laws in the country passing new laws and making it even worse.

 

[razorback2003]

This is the R's mistake if they vote for this crap. I will never vote for an R again if they cave into this crap and make my firearms and accessories illegal.

What will be the point of voting anyway, bailouts, higher taxes, loss of freedoms, and now my guns?

 

[HorseSoldier]

The problem is easily solved if it only effects NY state. Just move. I am sure you won't miss having the highest income tax in the country either. Everyone talks about states rights when it is the fed gov infringing, but not when the state starts to infringe on individuals. If you still want to live in New England, gun friendly VT and NH aren't that far away.

I agree, though places like California, Massachusetts, and New York are already throwing off a lot of refugees for non-2A issues and they are not classing up the places where they land (Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Alaska to name a few places effected by the California diaspora). Mostly they seem to just want to turn where ever they wash up into everything they left behind, only with lower taxes and lower crime rates. (Though here in Alaska we are also "blessed" with being sufficiently remote from California and various other states that they won't pay to extradite their wanted criminals back home, so, in a sense, the refugees from California are bringing their crime problem with them . . .)

 

[JohnBT]

"The NRA did nothing to try and stop it, that i know of."

That you know of? How much have you studied the political process leading up to that law? The NRA didn't have a vote and they still don't.

 

[243winxb]

I guess i was to busy shooting my M16A1 Carbine? Sorry.

 

[KTXdm9]

Yay, another sky is falling thread! :banghead:

They don't have the votes. That's why Biden is blustering about executive orders. Write Congress and donate the the NRA. All is not lost.

 

[glennv]

Yeah I'm more worried about the states acting vs. the feds. Barry can't get the votes. I'm in RI and we're pretty lucky since we have very little gun crime. It hasn't precipitaed any bans...yet. One good thing is our state is so corrupt that even the most anti-gun legislators here have whored themselves out and have taken money from the NRA. We'll see though.

 

[wgaynor]

They can ban want they want, doesn't mean they can take away the MILLIONS that we American's own. Good luck with that.

 

[MOHunter]

I agree we should all contact our reps, but the unsupported claims are just that--unsupported. Unless you have a link to specific legislation being proposed, knock it off please. Otherwise you're just rumor mongering and not being helpful.



Are you a remote viewer or something? Who is even proposing this apart from Piers Morgan?

Actually Diane Fienstein is proposing to register all grandfathered "assult rifles" under the NFA. Here's a quote from her web site:

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

Just sayin.......

 

[MOHunter]

Yay, another sky is falling thread! :banghead:

They don't have the votes. That's why Biden is blustering about executive orders. Write Congress and donate the the NRA. All is not lost.

I agree 100%

 

[barnbwt]

They don't have the votes. That's why Biden is blustering about executive orders.

I'm starting to wonder if this is some mind-trick to get us gunnies scared enough to "spill the beans" and reveal the one thing they can do to beat us . Too bad there's more than the NRA working against the Statists this time; unlike the roaring '90's, we now have chronic economic malaise, a declining authority in the world, and a mountain of Statist debt coming home to roost. Politicians have actual work to do instead of gun control theater this time around.

Whatever the anti's come up with, it will undoubtedy be big and beauracratic, and they undoubtedly have a hard time getting funding for it.

TCB

 

[jhb]

I been writing mine. In the past I got...."I support gun rights and the 2nd amendment"....all repubs state level. All repubs federal level except one senator who's a demmy. Now I get...."I grew up on a farm and support hunting"...."I also believe assault weapons and high cap mags need to be loked at and addresed"

Mind y'all I'm paraphrasing.....but these repubs have gone soft....I've seen the change in the form letters as I write my reps often. I got no faith in them protecting my rights or the 2nd amendment. I hope I am very wrong.

 

[larryh1108]

I just sat thru a segment on Fox news, who we know is not pro-gun, talking about the meeting today with Biden and the NRA and the govenor who wishes to ban hi-cap mags.

The bottom line is they had a remote reporter with a useless summary of the event but then she mentioned that there are no statistics that showed that the last ban did anything to help their cause of banning hi-cap mags. I was surprised to hear that from a reporter's mouth on Fox, of all places.

Why bother with a ban that has already proven to be useless? The antis can't point to it and claim it worked when, in fact, it didn't do a thing. I believe our hi-cap mags are safe.

 

[PedalBiker]

When driving your car became illegal without insurance people thought about the consequences and then bought insurance. I realize that driving a car is not a recognized right in the Constitution and I'm not trying to equate gun ownership to car driving.

I wonder why nearly every auto accident I've been in, the perp didn't have insurance. That's why you have to buy uninsured motorist coverage because it's so common they make a special rider to go on your policy.

My brother in law was hit by a guy with no license, no insurance and an active warrant out for his arrest. Wow our gov is so efficient!

 

[Cosmoline]

Actually Diane Fienstein is proposing to register all grandfathered "assult rifles" under the NFA. Here's a quote from her web site:

Leaping from that to claiming "HIGH CAPACITY MAGS WILL BE BANNED ACROSS THE USA" is quite a jump.

 

[Deanimator]

"I've never quite heard as much talk about the need to do something about high capacity magazines, as I've heard spontaneously from every group that we've met with so far," Biden argued.

I'll bet that if you spend all of your time in the Tribal Territories of Pakistan, you'll hear a lot of calls for Sharia law too. Only a drooling imbecil would think that translates to popular opinion in Cleveland or Duluth.

Biden (and Obama) inhabits an echo chamber of malicious imbeciles.

 

[barnbwt]

"I've never quite heard as much talk about the need to do something about high capacity magazines, as I've heard spontaneously from every group that we've met with so far," Biden argued.

Yeah, the group he "spontaneously" formed; composed almost entirely of gun-control Statist organizations that just happened to come up precisely the same proposals he's been pushing for this entire time (not the last month; his entire political career).

These "working groups" and "conversations" conducted at the whim of the administration are little more than a show trial of our gun rights; a farce with a foregone conclusion. The whole mess has been pathetically predictable so far, so I see no reason why we can't out-manuever them this time. In the past, we've always tried logic-based approaches, assured that if we could get the other side to consider our argument, reason would carry the day.

The entire purpose of the political theater being put on now is to keep the undecideds from hearing our argument; to suppress our voice. Biden's pow-wow gives the public the impression we are being heard, considered, and disproven in honest debate. When in reality our side of the "debate" was only tolerated for a short period, before being forgotten as the other players collaborated against us.

We must call them out on this, and expose this charade for what it is to anyone willing to listen. Even to those unwilling to listen. We will at least force them to confront us honestly if we can discredit this despicable posturing. At that point, and only at that point, will our indisputable arguments carry any weight. Hopefully we can pressure the Administration to have this "discussion" in a more-legitimate bipartisan committee in the Senate (or even better, the House).

TCB