HK P7PSP Question....

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I was just wondering: is the P7 going to be a 'collector's gun'? Is it going to go up in value as the supply runs out? I don't have a 'collection' (the three guns I have are defense guns), but was thinking this would be a good start.

I saw one at Cabela's today and was checking it out. I think it would be a cool addition, just because of its unique design, but I couldn't ever see myself carrying it. Just wondering if this gun has any collector's value, because I want to buy it, and I know everybody loves their P7s, but I don't really have any use for it besides its cool factor.
 
There are a few P7s that will, or are, collectable, but the vast majority are shooters. The collectables include the Jubilee models (which are M8s), those actually marked PSP, and perhaps the last few hundred made (also M8s).

As to the value...who knows? These were around the $1000 price range before the Saxony dump hit the market. I doubt they will go back that high anytime soon, IMHO.
 
JMOfartO:

I don't think buying one of the 17,000+ surplus Lower Saxony Police import P7's expecting a fantastic increase in value makes much sense.

I would suggest you buy a P7 for the pleasure of owning one of the highest quality 9mm firearms ever manufactured, imo, and certainly one of the most inherently accurate.

I have three of these P7's and whether they increase in value or not makes absolutely no difference to me because I bought them for the pleasure of owning and shooting them, not potential increase in future value.

Or, I buy guns to shoot and enjoy, not resell for profit.

You might be surprised at how easily the P7 conceals, and it makes for a much better cc type weapon that a first look might indicate.

As to value in the future, I own a pretty good little stash of pistols/revolvers, and my Seecamps and my HK P7's are the ones I never expect to LOSE money on. :D

Until these imports hit the market I could never afford a P7, so this has worked out great for myself, and other folks who otherwise would never be able to afford such a fine firearm.

Just personal opinion..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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The problem isn't the gun. The problem is I like the gun, but I'm also trying to get a good cc gun (and I don't see myself getting used to the squeeze cock action) and a good rifle before potential bans go into effect, and all on a budget, and all this gun offers me is coolness factor, so I was hoping somebody would tell me something to give me a good reason to pick one up
 
The price. Once the Saxony guns are gone, prices will once again skyrocket back to the $1500 level - that's one view. You (and I ) may never be able to afford one again as easily. I may even trade my 19C in for one to get the deal done.

It's more than the coolness factor - and any pistol does need to be shot enough to get used to it, they can all be radically different (1911 vs XD, fer instance.) The P7 has a bunch of serious things going for it as a shooter - very low sight plane next to the barrel, the most vertical feeding mag around (less inherent feeding problems,) great recoil management, and a proven action - it's police rugged.

In the gun world, it's a BMW. Small, relatively light, great shooter, inherently more accurate due to it's fixed barrel, and the best part - you aren't supposed to clean it more often than 500 rounds, factory recommended. It's the most successful gas delayed blowback pistol ever developed, a historical milestone.

Been looking for one for 20 years, now's the chance.
 
I have never understood how these work. Does one have to "re squeeze" with every shot or does one just hold the thing in for subsequent shots and release and re squeeze when standing down or whatever.
 
Jordon85:

Hey, the HK P7 is a heavy, single-stack 9mm pistol. It is of high quality, capable of extreme accuracy, but if you have to be "talked into" an HK P7 I would recommend you forget about it for now, buy the "good rifle" and then revisit the subject at a later time..

When I was ready for an HK P7 my worry was that there might not be any more "A" grades available at a price I could afford, not whether or not I would like the pistol. I had never fired a "squeezecocker" before either.

Here' the results of the first target fired at with my first HK P7.

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I would be the last person to tell you that the HK P7 pistol is the "be all/end all" of cc pistols, but it is a good one. I have a 3rd generation S&W "LadySmith" that honestly as an all around cc pistol tops the HK P7..

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And good as it is, and it's a fine little pistol, it is NOT an HK P7, as the HK P7 is unique.

Buy the rifle, regret not buying the HK P7, then buy the HK P7.


Jesse
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I had taken a CC class this past weekend and had decided to use a police return PSP instead of the Kahr CW-9 I bought specifically for the class. In the 5 weeks I had the CW-9 leading up to the class, I was still not as proficient with it as with the PSP in terms of precision as I'm still not use to the Kahrs DAO trigger. I do like its lightness and slimness but need more practice with it.

Some of the reasons, other than the precision issue, I chose the PSP is because of its unorthodox manual of arms. I have nieces and a nephew who visit often and the grip cocking action I think would be beyond their knowledge and too difficult for them to actuate and shoot with if they happen to stumble upon the gun if I were not present. (I have taught them about gun safety and taken them to the range, but you never know.) This also would hold true for most bad guys who may happen to somehow wrestle the gun away from me if I were carrying (once I get my license, of course). They likely will not to know the proper operation of a PSP/P7 which would provide some time for for me to reverse the encounter.
 
The price. Once the Saxony guns are gone, prices will once again skyrocket back to the $1500 level - that's one view.
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That's a highly optimistic view not based on firearms appreciation trends for HK P7 firearms.

P7/PSP firearms, even Chantilly imports (which I own) have not appreciated to close to $1000 over the 20 years they have been in the USA. The price of a NIB P7M8 has always been around $1200, even the price of the extremely rare P7M13 are around $1500. These prices have been pretty stable for close to 20 years. I know because I own samples of all 3.

Don't expect to ever get more than what you paid for your refurb P7/PSP over the next 10 years. If it does go up in the very long run, it probably won't be beating the cost of inflation by much.

P7/PSPs are no longer 'rare' in the USA, there will always be somebody selling one somewhere. This combined with the fact that it is a refurbished gun, will not make it a wise investment.

If you like it, buy it. If you are thinking of investment value, stay away from retail guns.
 
The fact that the P7/PSPs isn't going to appreciate much over the next few years is actually its greatest appeal.

I just couldn't bring myself to daily carry a pistol that would cost me well over a grand to replace and/or would be almost impossible to find (and if you ever have to use it, chances are you'll have to replace it as its going to spend several years in an evidence locker and you may never see it again).

Since the PSP is never going to be super valuable you can buy one and carry it without the worry.

I'd LOVE to have a P7M10, but no way in hell I'm going to CCW a $3000 pistol :p

My EDC is a Steyr S40 ... I've seriously considered replacing it with something else because I really like the little S40, but every year its going to be harder to find a replacement for it.
 
Thank you CWL. I'm guilty of a little exaggeration there, glad to hear your view. It's good to get an experienced dealer to introduce real pricing to the discussion. More info is better for the OP.

While I'd like HK to produce the model here in America, who knows? It does seem to be my last affordable chance to get one.
 
I have never understood how these work. Does one have to "re squeeze" with every shot or does one just hold the thing in for subsequent shots and release and re squeeze when standing down or whatever.
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HoosierQ

Watch this video, it will explain all about the P7. In case you're on dial up...

You squeeze the cocker once and hold it...very easy to do. The pistol will now fire with a short, light SA type trigger pull.
Releasing the cocker instantly places the gun in "Safe".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6239098748148707308
 
There was about 6 of them for sale at the gun show here, about three weeks ago. They were marked at about $675, I wish I had more money to spend.
 
HoosierQ, I called cdnn a few days ago and they said they still had some available in like new condition for about $675.

Now don't all you go out and get them. I'll be mad if/when I make up my mind and get the money gathered up they are all gone and I have to read all you guys' posts about your new pristine P7s! J/k
 
Just watched the video. Wow. Great! I have always been intrigued by this firearm and perhaps this Lower Saxony thing will be the ticket. Wow!
 
Have always been intrigued by these guns and picked mine up for a great price a few months ago. It is now my primary CCW. I love the minimal recoil flip due to the low bore axis and the accuracy is great. I convinced myself that while prices may not soar, they will never be this low again, so I jumped on it! And I am very glad I did.

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