How much to shoot black powder?

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So after I buy my rifle or pistol, and I have the flask and lube, etc, how much does it cost per round to shoot black powder? Given the cost of powder and wads, and bullets, how much on average per shot?

Also, I'm looking at a rifle but it comes with nothing. Is there a simple starter kit or checklist of things I need, like a flask, lube, wads. etc? How do I know a good flask from a bad flask?

I don't know anyone who shoots black powder so I'm on my own. I think I'll buy the Lyman blackpowder book and start from there.

Thanks in advance.
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That's an exellent start. Also read everything you can here. Now to your question:
Bullets: 7 cents to over a dollar each.
Powder: Goex currently runs around $15.00/pound, you can get 100 70 grain loads/pound.
If you're talking about wads such as Wonder Wads for percussion revolvers they run around 8 cents apiece.
A tube of Bore Butter is around $7.00 now, not sure how many rounds a tube would be good for, but quite a few.

Basically it's more expensive to shoot BP than smokeless, but the fun is worth it.
 
The price of Goex can vary a lot. I think I paid a bit over $20 a pound when I found it locally. It all comes down to the individual shop and how much it costs them for insurance to carry it and such. You might find some of the substitutes for less, but it is hard to beat the real stuff for the pure enjoyment of shooting.
 
I bought a pack of 100 caps today, was 5.25 out the door.
Box of 100 Hornaday .454 balls was about 12.00,maybe a little more. Had them for a couple of weeks so I ain't sure. :confused:
Lb. of Pyrodex was about 20 bucks, can't remember exactly. :confused:
Okay so I am old and half senile.

Not counting powder it is about 18 cents a round.
WWB 9mm is near .20 a round now. :eek:

But I see it like this. When shooting BP I get more enjoyment than just loading up a magazine and letting it rip. I can easily run through a 100 ct. box of WWB 9mm in half an hour, and that is not really rushing. When shooting the 1858 I go through about 35 to 50 rounds and it takes two hours, give or take.

if I just wanted to do cheap I can shoot .357 mags or .45 acp for about a dime a round as I reload those. But it is not as much fun.

There is just something special about manufacturing rounds while in the field. :D
 
So is black powder more expensive then pyrodex? If not why use pyrodex?

Does anyone cast their own rounds to safe money?
 
In Maine, I pay about $15 for BP (Goex). Pryodex is a few bucks more. Swiss powder is about $25. Roundballs are about $8.00 per box (I use O shot for my .31 but I cast my own roundballs for my other calibers). 5 lbs of lead at the hardward store cost about $8.00 which yields about 300 or so .380s (can't remember how many .454s). I bought the moulds at Track of the Wolf (.375, .380. .454,. .457, .490) for about $20 each. I have a Lee Electric bottompour melter (about $40) but the heating coils recently crapped out so I bought a big old plumber's pot for about $15 and a ladle for $2.00 and cast over an open fire, which isn't as easy and convenient as the Lee melter but more fun. It will cost me about $14.00 to fix the melter but I'm in no hurry. Caps in Maine are about $7.00 per tin but I bought as many as I could at Walmart in NH at the end of the hunting season for about $2.50 per tin (Remington). Bore Butter at Walmart was about $3.00 per tube (I use it as an internal lube). I use Crisco or beeswax lube pills (my choice) when I shoot.
It's a fairly inexpensive sport, time consuming, messy, dirty, but you can't beat it.
 
opposite here. black powder is cheaper than pyrodex. just hard to find. so thats why people start using pryodex. i dont think people shoot black powder to think of how much its going to cost them to shoot. Its not like shooting cartridge handgun or rifle. Cartridge handgun can cost a lot in ammo you just keep pulling the trigger and keep shooting. Then keep loading magazines. next thing you know 100.00 in ammo is all gone. Not like that with black powder. you can buy a can of black powder then either cast your own round balls or buy them. Then get the wonder wads and powder. So say you spend 40.00. Then you go to the range. Spend the same time there shooting. But only shoot 1/16th of what you would shoot with cartridges. You see the loading process is a little slow. The actual pull the trigger part is cool almost feels the same or better. But its slow loading. You can take a rifle to the range with 100 bulets and never shoot more than 40. If you make it to 40. Same time for my revolvers i take 2 or 3 with me. Shoot about 4 hours and only shoot around 100-150 bullets. Thats it. So there are differences.
 
Its a little hard to find bp around here but I know a guy that runs a bp shoot and orders it a case at a time and sells it. He sells it at cost so its all good. You can order it but you usually have to buy it 25lbs at a time. Thats all I run through my guns I don't mess with that fake stuff.

Cost per round- I don't fool with calculating it. If your that worried about penny pinching shoot .22's.
 
Yes I cast my own bullets but I don't do it to save money. I do it for the fun of it. And the control I have over what I shoot.

I think you are looking at this hobby the wrong way. There is more to life then money, Babes don't forget the babes. They are way better then money.
 
I cast my own bullets to save money. It's not that I really need to but we Dutch are a kind of cheap ;). Mind you that prices here are quite high for most everything compared to the US, but salary don't match.

Use a Lee mold for 457 roundballs, cost at that time 42 euro's (= $60.- approx), now they're lower due to the dropping US $.
Roundballs go for around 10 euro (approx. $15.-) per 100.
I have cast around 400 balls the first time, and already played even with the cost of the mold right then.
Lead I use is old lead that I got for free.

Next time I have cast around 600 balls, couple of hours. Saved 60 euro's (roughly $90.-).

Have 7 different molds now for revolvers and rifles and... I actually like to cast!
Everytime a new shiny bullet drops from the mold it gives a good feeling. Very satisfactury to have a whole load of them when you're ready.
Changed the use of my old cooking pan to melt lead. Lately upgraded from woordfire to butane gas to keep heat more consistent.
I can imagine not everybody wants to do it this way. In the long run it will save you money... but primarely you must find joy in it.

Casting bullets is the way to go! For me anyways.

I use cheap BP (32 euro = approx $45, half the price of Swiss (=62 euro's = approx. $90.-). prices are per kilo. Swiss is more powerfull but for shooting a paper card not necessary.

Dynamite Nobel caps go for 4.25 Euro per 100 or something.

If you can scrounge up some old roof lead for casting bullets for nothing there is not much that will beat a BP firearm shot in price, especially if you choose a smaller caliber (lighter bullet, less powder).
Like mentioned before in this post... adding the slow rate of shooting it is probably one of the most economical.
Let's not forget the real reason for shooting BP. It's not price, it's fun.

Hildo
 
Let's not forget the real reason for shooting BP. It's not price, it's fun.
Cost per round- I don't fool with calculating it. If your that worried about penny pinching shoot .22's.

There is nothing better than after a day of shooting than getting into the truck turning on the AC and all you can smell is burnt BP. Then you look at your hands and they are covered with soot. Then you ask yourself is it all worth it knowing you need to spend the next hour and a half to two hours cleaning your favorite guns. HELL YES ITS WORTH IT. To me the cleaning is all part of a day of shooting, I enjoy the drive to the range. I get all excited before I leave the house. I enjoy every round I load. I really enjoy sending the lead on its way. Then when I get back to the house I grab a cold brew or two and head for the back patio where I do all my cleaning. But you know the cost of per shot has never entered my mind I just really enjoy shooting BP. It very relaxing to me.
 
I am just trying to help, but am not to sure about this one myself..

a 12 gauge gets 12 round ball to the pound. A 16 ga gets 16 balls to the pound. A 20 Ga gets 20. A 28 gets 28, but is a .410 a gauge, because if it is then it gets 41 balls to the pound, but it might not be gauge.

So I am not sure what you can cast in .454 to the pound.
 
According to an old Colt patent, .36 caliber = 50 elongated or 86 round bullets to the pound, and .44 caliber = 33 elongated or 48 round bullets to the pound. I waste alot of lead so I get less.
 
Here's about the worst case for a Ruger Old Army, as an example:

100x Hornady .457 cast balls ~$9
100x Hodgdon Pyrodex P pellets ~$16
100x caps ~$3
100x lubed felt wads, home-made per sticky above, maybe $1

100 shots = ~$29, or $0.29/shot. The only thing you could do more expensively in that mix would be to buy commercial wads. Loose powder, casting your own balls, etc. would all lower your costs.
 
Nothing goes to waste but it all doesn't get used at one time, so I can't get an accurate calculation of how much I get from a pound.
 
Lovesbeer99 you are about to enter one of the best shooting experiences in your life. I have shot BP for years and every time i go is the best time of all.

I have 1200 pounds of lead, 35 pounds of powder and 4500 caps. I buy pillow ticking from WM and cut square patches. I have every bullet mold i need from RB to conicals. I love to cast bullets just don't do it barefooted. Trust me on this.

I have Pyrodex also and don't have any qualms about using it either. My most used lube is plain old Crisco. I even got inspired and made my own lube from Crisco, wax toilet rings and parrafin wax. It works fine and was cheap.

I almost gave up BP when i started because i bought a starter kit with my Cabelas gun. Biggest bunch of crap for shooting i ever had. I bought a Sam Fadala book and learned how to read patches and properly load my gun. That was the best $20.00 i ever spent.

Yes it can be expensive to start but you will figure out how to reduce the cost. You will become a class a scrounger for lead.

The world is full of good BP rifles you just need a little knowledge to get you started. Now go have fun.
 
Yes I cast my own bullets but I don't do it to save money. I do it for the fun of it. And the control I have over what I shoot.

I think you are looking at this hobby the wrong way. There is more to life then money, Babes don't forget the babes. They are way better then money.

I think a lot of us started like this. The problem is when you have so many guns to cast for. Then its still a hobby but it takes a lot more time to do it. You still think of it like a hobby, however at the same time your doing it to save money. Right now im casting for over 12 guns. Thats a lot of casting and space. I still dont look at it of how much it cost to shoot per round. i look more about how accurate i am while shooting my own ammo. When my ammo stops being accurate then i will start buying factory bullets and ammo. For now i do spend less but i shoot just as accurate if not more accurate with my own.
 
Actually, the cost of shooting Black Powder is a lot higher than they are letting on. Sure, the powder and caps and stuff aren't to high, but you have to factor in the costs of all the guns you will buy when you get addicted.
 
Bore size makes a big difference also, a 45 caliber rifle powder load maxes out around 80 grs or so, a .62 rifle starts at 100 grs and goes up. 12 ga rifles eat 150gr + loads for breakfast! Nor can we forget the lead balls weight. I think the 45 ball is 136gr?, the .54 is 230gr? The .58 is 270grs, the .62 is 340grs, the 12 ga is 500+ grs. Big bores eat lead and powder like a baby eats candy!
 
Reckon, cost is subjective to a great deal many things. Came across several hundred (that’s right, several hundred), pounds of soft lead weights, a few years ago. They’d been used for tractor ballast and were no longer needed. (Those’r’ long gone, now, by the way.) More recently, received a 50lb. ingot of lead, from a party, who was moving out of state. That one’s been kept around. Understand that fishing weights may, also, be melted down as a decent substitute. Point is; there’s a savings on lead purchase, around this camp- as one might imagine.

Got a serviceable pot and good ladle, from separate clean-up jobs. Will be placing an order for two double .454 cal. round ball molds, within the next week (one, for back-up). Have cobbled together a decent burner and stand set-up, from odds-and-ends saved, over the years. Have a half-dozen full, barbecue-sized containers of propane squirreled away. Those came, courtesy of various clients, as well. So, “Rolling my own” will save some over ordering the ready-made ammo.

As one can see, from the above; will even be saving the price of a cooker. Well, for now, at least. Might could weaken, later on out. Upgrade, as it were. First, I want to learn how to actually DO this.

Crisco will serve well, over the cooler months, and over some of the more fancy specialized products. There’s a good thread, elsewhere on this forum, about cutting up felt sheets, for use as wadding. Ordering information is there, as well.

Have a few gallons of Windex and car window washer fluid stashed in the garage. Also, saved from various jobs, over the years. Even have various soaps kept safe, in the dry goods larder. So, clean-up’s a snap.

Most cartridge arms cleaning/maintenance tools seem to have uses for C&B arms, as well. And, yes; have a couple of different caliber kits put together. from salvage.

On the other hand, SoCal seems to have a dearth of real black powder available. As a result, substitute powders are costly, in these parts. Could ride to somewhere it’s cheaper - which costs, too (though, the trip, itself, makes the ride worthwhile. Any excuse…). Still working on getting enough folks together, locally, to make it worthwhile shelling out for the idiocy of HazMat shipping fees. Not planning on making my own BP, before it becomes a necessity (Perish forbid).

Caps are another item, which must actually be paid for. Managed to come across those, this past weekend, at the local gun show. Hint: Get there early, buy in bulk.

In fact, had to make some purchases, this past weekend, for start-up and to repay a debt. So, I know the little that will be spent on firing, cleaning and care, makes this a durned affordable hobby. Well, except for that part about how there’s about a bazillion guns and accessories ‘D like to get my hands on, one day. Soon.
 
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