Hunter's Training Class Surprises

[Old Fud]

I just took the Hunter's Training class required in CA to get a hunting license.
It was a 12-hour marathon session filled with lots of good stuff.

The Manual was "Today's Hunter in California", an expensive colorful thorough piece of work that is maintained, updated and reprinted regularly -- it's also available upon request for free at any time. It addresses every aspect of hunting you can think of and provides basic familiarization with each.
I was left with the impression it is heavily sponsored by IHEA (International Hunter Education Association) and the "resource directory" in the back listed 14 other organizations including NRA, National Shooting Sports Foundation, Ducks unlimited.

Most of the material was national/international in flavor, with only 2 pages in the end seeming to focus specifically upon California issues.

Definitely written by pro-hunters. "Facts" presented included the idea that no animal ever became extinct because of having been hunted to death, how to deal with an anti-hunter, how much hunters contribute to conservation work (while others don't). These were spread throughout the book.

With all of that, there were surprises in the course:

1) Hunting is a privilege, not a right.
2) Antagonize the anti's and you deserve to lose that privilege.
3) Thou may not hunt anything, anywhere, without a license from the state permitting you to hunt that item.
4) In CA, no firearms of any kind are permitted during archery season.
5) The book offered a slightly modified version of Cooper's FOUR rules instead of NRA's 3 rules.
6) The idea that a firearm might have some use other than hunting was not a subject hunting people are prepared to talk about.

I came away with the definite feeling that "hunting" and "RKBA" are completely different worlds.

Hmmmm.
Fud

 

[svtruth]

The dodo

and the passenger pigeon were both hunted to extinction. The bison nearly so.

 

[Sheldon J]

I just took the Hunter's Training class required in CA to get a hunting license.
1) Hunting is a privilege, not a right.
2) Antagonize the anti's and you deserve to lose that privilege.
3) Thou may not hunt anything, anywhere, without a license from the state permitting you to hunt that item.
4) In CA, no firearms of any kind are permitted during archery season.
6) The idea that a firearm might have some use other than hunting was not a subject hunting people are prepared to talk about.

golly gee lets see a not really hunters safety class taught in mostly anti Ca. by someone that sounds like a anti, that attitude and those opinions would get them fired here in Mi.
Rant mode on
I know how about all you Ca residents get pollitically active and stop wining about your gun issues and get some pro 2A people in office. Then you can brag about how your state is is pro gun and not more like the UK.
rant mode off
Sorry for the rant but if there are as many of you pro gunners in that state as I think, and if you were to get motavated you could kick out all the Frankinstiens and their lot would not be able to even run for dog catcher.

 

[AZRickD]

both hunted to extinction.

So was the wooly mamoth.

My guess is that it was a failure of game management of European game wardens during the Ice Age.

I'm not sure what 19th century bison have to do with hunting in the 21st century.

Same with the P-pigeon http://www.eco-action.org/dt/pigeon.html

No game management.

The dodo?

Some of the birds may have been eaten by the Dutch sailors who discovered them. However, the primary causes of their extinction were the destruction of the forest (which cut off the Dodo's food supply), and the animals that the sailors brought with them, including cats, rats, and pigs, which destroyed Dodo nests.

 

[TallPine]

3) Thou may not hunt anything, anywhere, without a license from the state permitting you to hunt that item.

Far from true ... in MT there are dozens of unprotected species, such as coyotes, foxes, badgers, snakes, gophers, porcupines, rabbits, etc. In fact, no such thing as a "small game license" even exists.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Thou may not hunt anything, anywhere, without a license from the state permitting you to hunt that item.

He who kills one of the king's deer shall be hanged by the neck until dead.

 

[Starter52]

RE: hunted to extinction. I've seen a copy of that manual. I think it actually says no species was hunted to extinction by modern legal hunting. It also talks about market hunters and their effect on the bison and passenger pigeons.

It's a good book.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Far from true ... in MT there are dozens of unprotected species, such as coyotes, foxes, badgers, snakes, gophers, porcupines, rabbits, etc. In fact, no such thing as a "small game license" even exists.

That's really neat, but I doubt the California Hunter Safety Class spent a lot of time on Montana game laws.

 

[cracked butt]

I came away with the definite feeling that "hunting" and "RKBA" are completely different worlds.

When push comes to shove, there are probably as many antigun hunters as there are progun hunters. Don't belive me? ask any hunter you know about how they feel about AK-47s, 9mm Handguns, or Full auto weapons.

 

[TallPine]

That's really neat, but I doubt the California Hunter Safety Class spent a lot of time on Montana game laws.

Umm ....

Most of the material was national/international in flavor, with only 2 pages in the end seeming to focus specifically upon California issues.

 

[cracked butt]

2) Antagonize the anti's and you deserve to lose that privilege.

We'll let Hitler have the Sudentenland and Poland because he'll be satisfied with that and leave us alone.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

If no animal has ever been hunted to extinction, why do they have bag limits? And why is poaching illegal?

 

[stevelyn]

I came away feeling that "hunting" and "RKBA" are two different worlds.

Well DUHHHHH. They are different worlds and neither have anything to do with the other. Hunting could be banned outright, but yet the RKBA would still exist and does not need hunting to justify its existence.

Plaid wearing Elmers have been our own worst enemies when it came to RKBA. They've (the Quislings of gun owners) been willing to sell out one type of firearm in the hopes that the one they have will be spared ( remember Bill Ruger?) not realizing or denying that the true goal is ALL of them.:banghead:

 

[trimixdiver]

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3) Thou may not hunt anything, anywhere, without a license from the state permitting you to hunt that item.

From the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife

Only the following may hunt without buying a Kentucky Hunting License:
(1) Kentucky resident owners of farmlands, their spouses and dependent children hunting upon their own farmlands during an
open season;
(2) Tenants, their spouses and dependent children hunting on a farm or lands where they reside and work; and
(3) Kentucky residents on military furlough of more than three days who carry identification and papers that verify
their furlough status.

Only the following may hunt Deer & Turkey without buying a statewide Deer or Turkey Permit:
(1) Kentucky resident owners of farmlands, their spouses and dependent children hunting upon their own farmlands during an
open season;
(2) Tenants, their spouses and dependent children hunting on a farm or lands where they reside and work, and
(3) Hunters who hold a senior/disabled combination license or Resident Sportsman’s License.

FWIW - Atleast here in Kentucky, you can hunt on your own land without the state's "permission". You still have to abide by bag limits and seasons but no license requirement for your own land.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Most of the material was national/international in flavor, with only 2 pages in the end seeming to focus specifically upon California issues.

PWNED.

 

[gezzer]

Is anyone surprised it's CA :banghead:

 

[kfranz]

If no animal has ever been hunted to extinction, why do they have bag limits? And why is poaching illegal?

Poachers don't pay license fees.

Another consideration in bag limits is maintaining a higher quality hunting experience for a larger number of hunters.