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jamesinalaska

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I finished an interesting book titled, "The Shameless Diary of an Explorer" by Robert Dunn. It was published in 1907. It can be downloaded for free from the U.S. Archives.

The diary tells the story of a failed 1903 attempt by a patched together party of men to be the first to climb Alaska's Mount Mckinley, the tallest mountain in North America. Two men of the party, Dunn being one of these, had been on expeditions to Alaska before and were eager to go again for the adventure. The others, except the sponsor of the expedition, signed on, apparently, because they didn't have anything else to do.

The whole trip was really quite a disaster -even from the beginning- and the diary seemed to focus on the seven men of the expedition and their constant conflicts with each other and with the environment. For THR readers there were several entries in the diary about firearms and hunting that you might find interesting. Here are some of those highlights.

They outfitted in Seattle and purchased a .303 Savage rifle with ammunition. They gave the rifle to the gun store clerk to add a peep sight, but Dunn writes that the clerk put the sights on the wrong gun, a 30-30 Winchester, and gave that gun back to them. They weren't aware of the error until they were one month into the interior of Alaska when a member of the party tried to shoot a grizzly sow running away from them. (page 55)

The sponsor of the expedition had a "Greenland .44 Winchester relic". There is no more specific information about this but I think Dunn is referring to an 1860 .44 RIMFIRE lever action rifle. I think the ammunition for that rifle was black powder.

One young fellow, Simon, from New York City, had a .22 Winchester rifle (which all the others referred to as a girl's gun) and a Colt .38 automatic which fired the new smokeless cartridges.

Simon, in a fit of anger from being teased by the others ran off and "shoots 20 times at a mud hen in a puddle ten yards off" and misses the [duck] but does shoot one of the horses through the jaw." (49)

SInce the 30-30 was without ammunition, they tried to make the best off the .44 lever action "relic" but realized it was hopelessly "worn out" and "leaded" and that they could not hit "within two feet of a stump" during an informal target practice. One man chased after a herd of sheep with the .44 firing "13 times" hoping to get lucky but failing miserably. Another member somehow got close to an unsuspecting grizzly which was digging for ground squirrels and shot the animal "who rolled over and made solemnly into the woods."

It is interesting to me that they were in the middle of some of the richest salmon rivers in the world but they were chasing after bears and sheep with a .44 black powder rifle and a .38 colt pistol. They were surviving solely on the quantities of beans, wet flour, and the canned goods they had fitted themselves with in Seattle.

At one point they did find themselves in the middle of a caribou migration and managed "after half dozen shots" between the .22 and the .44 to knock down a bull. They found the killing bullet and it was the .44 that had taken the bull with a shot in the neck. The owner went on for days about how the rifle had redeemed itself.

The party (I guess you could call it that) made it up the mountain a few thousand feet and then looking winter in the eye, returned to the river (probably the Susitna) turned the horses loose to the wolves, built some rafts and floated back to Knik landing, where the commercial ships were anchoring at that time.

At one point Dunn makes the pointedly honest remark that "we have counted on living off the country, which no prospector will ever do, because [of stories of good hunting, but until now] not a bit of blood-red meat have we seen." (133)

The book was enjoyable to read but gritty in the details. You'll have to draw your own conclusions. Hope this post wasn't to long. I thought you'd find it interesting
 
Just the amount I've read from your post, I'm surprised any of them survived.Almost sounded like the Three Stoogies on a backyard camp out!

Mark
 
But he could write a book about it. :D

Hope it sold well. :)
 
So basically what I am hearing is that even back 100 years ago, there were folks that go into the woods without sighting in rifles beforehand, without checking their gear in general beforehand, who don't know how to shoot, have poor safety issues, and have male ego issues.

Well, it doesn't sound all that different from a lot of today's stories, LOL.
 
Wow that's definitely a very woeful tale about a group of men who somehow managed to survive (along with probably wounding a dozen or more wild animals), despite their own lack of preparedness and overabundance of ineptitude.
 
As a college professor of mine once said as he wrote on the [yep] blackboard:
 
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Makes you wonder how mankind has survived to this point.

These were not the stupid people of their time.
 
I think their ancestors are featured in that TV reality show called "Alaskan Bush People"!!
 
If they'd gotten the right rifle to start with they would have been bolder climbing the mountain and none of them would have lived.
 
Maybe that book is where discovery channel got the idea for the show "Alaskan bush People" from it's about the Brown family 4 or 5 adult boys, sort of, and 2 girls. Mom and Dad. The most bizzare family that supposedly has lived in the wilds of Alaska for 30 years, so strange my wife and I can't stop watching.
 
That reminds me of a story I read in one of the "Little House" books about life on the frontier in the west. A town sprang up in the Dakotas at the end of the railroad tracks one summer. The railroad wasn't going to go further until the next year. The people in the town didn't store enough food and the train couldn't get to them because it was "The Snow Winter". The book is called "The Long Winter" and is considered to be an accurate description of that terrible winter. A whole series of blizzards made it impossible to get supplies to the town.

One of the things that happened was that a deer was spotter at a distance from the town. The people got so excited they all went rushing out to try to kill the deer. Some idjit shot at from way too far to hit it and it ran away. If you're in a bind it's best to leave stuff like hunting to the people that have been doing it for a long time. That town eventually found a store room of grain someone was saving for seed for the next spring and they ate that or they likely would have all starved.

There are elements of that book that aren't true but most of it is true. It must have been one face to live. They couldn't even make it to their barns to feed their livestock. They tied ropes to themselves so they could find their way back to the houses because they couldn't see far enough to tell where their house was. Once they made the barn they tied the rope there and followed it back and forth every time a blizzard hit.

That's the people that settled this country BTW. We have it so easy now it's crazy. And back then they had a lot of people that thought they could just move to the frontier and make it without any real knowledge of what to do or how to do it. We still see that in preppers and sometimes in hunters that come from cities to rural areas looking to kill a deer. They're welcome to all of the deer they can kilk as far as I care but I draw the line when they set up right above my house on the hill with their guns pointed toward my house. My house doesn't exactly stand out from the surroundings much. They weren't more than 125 yards away from my house watching a trail where they would have shot right my direction. And I've seen far worse than that like the guy who went hunting right off a 4 lane highway a quarter of a mile from a city.
 
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