I question some handgun cartridges

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McCall911

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This is just the way I see it, folks.


7.62x25:
Cons: I understand. It's a cartridge for some discontinued weapons which made it into the surplus market and were sold at bargain prices. But what's the big deal? There was already the .30 Luger, which fell into general disuse by the German military long ago because of its lack of "stopping power." (Gee, I really hate that term, but what are you going to do? It's descriptive!) The .30 Luger has a somewhat lower velocity than the 7.62x25, but it's still in the same category: A high-velocity .30 caliber handgun cartridge with a relatively light bullet (85-93 grains.) For my money, they are practically the same and would share the same limitations.
Pros: With suitable bullets (hollowpoints or possibly softpoints) these high-velocity .30s should give acceptable performance for self-defense.

.357 Sig:
Cons: Whoop-de-doooo! We have one more 9mm! How many so far: .38 Super, 9x21, 9x23, .356 TSW, 9mm Magnum, etc. etc.
Pros: It's just another 9mm, but with somewhat higher velocity.

400 CorBon:

Cons: When I first heard about this cartridge, I thought "WHAT? WHY do we need another 10mm, and one that shoots lighter bullets???" It was at the top of my list of soon-to-be-obsolete handgun cartridges. The only good reason for its existence, that I could gather, was so that a .45 ACP shooter could switch to a .40 caliber by merely replacing barrels. But why, oh why, would a .45 shooter want to do this? Has any .40 caliber handgun cartridge proven itself more effective than the .45 ACP?
Pros: There probably would be little or no difference in effectiveness between this round and the .40 S&W, or even some of the lighter loads of the 10mm.

.40 S&W:
Cons: This "10mm Lite" really caught on quickly with law enforcement and self-defense shooters! I attribute this, in part, to some of the horror stories (or urban legends, maybe?) which were surfacing about the 9mm's lack of effectiveness in certain more or less extreme situations. But does the .40 S&W have any real advantage over the 9mm, which it seemed to eclipse, or the .45 ACP? Time will tell, maybe, but there remains the one unarguable truth/persistent dogma: All handgun cartridges are inherently underpowered.
Pros: The .40 is a bit over four-hundreths of an inch larger than the 9mm and has a bullet which weighs up to 15 hundreths of an ounce more. It also has a somewhat higher velocity than many loadings of the .45 ACP.

.41 Magnum
Cons: To my mind, the .357 Magnum has long proved itself as one of the most effective rounds for a revolver in terms of self-defense/law-enforcement. It has been even used as a hunting cartridge. But when the .357 is not enough, there is the .44 Magnum and its numerous loads, both hot and mild. But what was the thought behind the .41 Magnum originally? Why did we need less than a .44 Mag, but more than a .357 Mag?
Pros: It is a powerful and accurate round, from my experience with it.

.45 Winchester Magnum
Cons: One of the original loadings, a 230-grain hardball with a muzzle velocity of some 1400 fps, must have been a joke!
Pros: Other than the .45 Win Mag being one of the original "auto-mag" cartridges, there are not many Pros that I can see. But maybe it could be improved by handloading.

Having said all this, I still like most of these cartridges that I mentioned, so my criticisms are mainly superficial. But I've honestly not had any experience with the 400 CorBon or the .45 Win Mag.
 
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Marketing, marketing and more marketing. Something to sell gun magazines and for gunwriters to stay employed. Keeping up with the neighbors and so on.
 
There's an article in the new issue of Shooting times about the .357mag.

It seems to me that history has just repeated itself. The venerable magnum round was developed as a law enforcement cartridge that would penetrate car glass and doors. Heck, it even would go through engine blocks of the day (with the aluminum engines of today, it should do that even better)!!!!

It seems to me that this round still has everything that law enforcement wants!!!

Why fix it if it wern't broken???
 
.45 Winchester Magnum
Cons: One of the original loadings, a 230-grain hardball with a muzzle velocity of some 1400 fps, must have been a joke!

Sounds like serious performance to me, I'd kinda like one myself. Unfortunately, there isn't an affordable auto made today for this round. LAR chambered it; they're gone. Wildey offers it, but I think their pistols go for $1200+. Not for me, not for a toy. Desert Eagle doesn't offer it, but even if they did I wouldn't bite. Their pistols are just too huge for my tastes, at least for an auto. Maybe Taurus will come out with one :neener: Had Coonan been able to get his 41 Magnum version into production, I'd be argueing with ya on that one too.:evil:
 
But what was the thought behind the .41 Magnum originally?
Originally it was to be a police round. More powerful than the .357 magnum yet smaller than the .44 magnum. Unfortunately the power level was raised to it's potential which meant it needed a large frame and created the same problem as the .44 magnum for the police.
 
Majic said:
Unfortunately the power level was raised to it's potential

It sure handloads nicely though. I have 2 -- a S&W Model 357PD and a Marlin 1894SS 16".

I've got a .357 and .44 Magnum, but I find the .41 Magnum the most fun to shoot.

Mike
 
McCall911 said:

I keep thinking this would be a neat lever-gun caliber.

It's short OAL would facilitate a bunch of them in a tubular magazine, and the bottleneck would help with feeding and presumably reduce blowback.

The lever-throw could be reduced too. And lots of velocity from a long barrel.

Just sounds fun to me.

Mike
 
Had Coonan been able to get his 41 Magnum version into production, I'd be argueing with ya on that one too.

Yep, Chuck, and if Coonan would have come out with their .41, I would have prolly left the .41 Magnum off the list. :D

But I did have a very nice old Model Blackhawk in .41 Mag that I wish I hadn't had to sell. :(
 
They are all just something to sell to the gullible American Consumer.

If you don't see a need for them, don't buy them. I didn't.

Too late, Jim. I've already bought several on my "questionable" list.
:banghead:

:D
 
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