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Isle gun laws look safe from high court
The Supreme Court guts the capital's ban against handguns
Star-Bulletin staff and news services

Most state gun restrictions, including Hawaii's, appear to be allowed under yesterday's U.S. Supreme Court ruling that struck down a ban on handguns in Washington, D.C.

"It's really the municipalities that are the offenders," said Robert A. Levy, one of the lawyers on the winning side of the case.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority in the 5-4 decision, also suggested that bans on concealed weapons would probably survive Second Amendment muster. He added that the court's list of permissible restrictions was not exhaustive.

Because the case before the court arose from the District of Columbia and thus involved only federal law, the court did not resolve the important question of whether the Second Amendment's protections affect state and local laws.

Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett said that while the Washington law differs significantly from Hawaii's gun control laws, "there is a strong indication that the court's majority would apply the Second Amendment to the states and state laws."

"We intend to fully review Hawaii's gun control laws, but we believe that they are defensible against constitutional challenges," Bennett said. "We believe that challenges to Hawaii's laws are likely, as are challenges to gun control laws throughout the United States."

"It's a good day for Americans," said Mark Plischke, director and legislative co-chairman for the Hawaii Rifle Association.

Plischke said, "This is the first Supreme Court validation of the Second Amendment in history. It affirms the individual's right to keep a firearm for self-defense and for hunting."

He predicted more court challenges on the issue of gun control, adding, "We're considering strategy at this point," but said it was premature to say whether the Hawaii Rifle Association would challenge any Hawaii gun control laws.
 
Why fear? Who does the left think the red states are, anyway? An invading army?

We are the same neighbors, co-workers and tax-payers we were last week.
 
We are the same neighbors, co-workers and tax-payers we were last week.

They were afraid of us then, too. The only difference is that now, the law is looking to be on our side, not theirs.
 
For an anti, how is the 25th any different from the 26th?

If you ask me, anti's should be relieved. They are no longer forced to defend an intellectually bankrupt stance on the 2a. Their task is clear, practically impossible, but clear.

BTW ambiguity is a banquet to the sophist. It will take a while for those who clearly dined well on the militia clause to acquire a taste for their new dish. I'm guessing fear will be a common reaction.
 
If you ask me, anti's should be relieved. They are no longer forced to defend an intellectually bankrupt stance on the 2a. Their task is clear, practically impossible, but clear.

Your world is probably ground in reality not some kind of fantasy land where you can pick and choose what amendments matter where words don't mean what they say.

Their fantasy land just got a heavy dose of reality which is bound to cause extreme discomfort and heartburn.

Further, I don't think Hawaii's laws will hold up to a challenge and I think they know it. :evil:
 
I tend to agree with Levy on this one. the worst offenders against the right to keep arms are indeed cities. NYC, Chicago, and a few minor places in Illinois come to mind. No state has out and out bans against handguns like these cities do.

A number of states are pretty restrictive toward the right to bear arms, giving no meaningful way to actually express the right, while others are not so bad. None are perfect, but this is not heaven so we have to accept that it will never be perfect.
 
I think many of us noticed an unusual number of alarmist editorials, etc, about this decision in the weeks leading up to it. I'd expect the plan was to stir up public opinion and influence the court, as if supreme court justices worked like politicians. (well at least they aren't supposed to...)
Now that our side won, there are a few editorials predicting blood in the streets, and a lot of looking the other way and down playing it's importance on the part of the mainstream media.
Marty
 
What's next, Hawaii? Which of the other Bill of Rights will you violate?

Huh?:confused:

The other interesting part of the article regards possible incorporation against the States.

Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett said that while the Washington law differs significantly from Hawaii's gun control laws, "there is a strong indication that the court's majority would apply the Second Amendment to the states and state laws."
 
So what happens when I strap on a wheelgun and take a stroll in Honolulu?

Understand: once Bennett said that the 2nd applies to the states, it's not possible to find that any open-packer in that state had any intent to break the law. The Heller decision very clearly supports open carry. Bennett said Heller applies to his state. So you have no "mens rea" (criminal intent) to a crime related to open carry.

It's the open-carry bans at the state level that are at the most risk. We're going to see the Ohio gameplan repeated: open-carry protest marches that lead to CCW so that we'll (usually anyways) put the dang things under wraps :D.
 
Much fear in this boy I sense. Fear one must not. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to death.
 
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