I was disarmed today

[BruceRDucer]

Hey 64Nova

This is of interest for all of us Coloradans and Denverites.

You handled it about as well as could be expected, given that it was easier to do as asked. Although, I think the guards at the Museum were unreasonable, since you did have a permit.

I've had run-ins with staff at the museum concerning other issues, not gun related. Frankly, I think they mostly consist of twits, but that's besides the point.

 

[ants]

A little clarification is in order:

Yes, they do have the right to disallow firearms. It is private property. From the Colorado State Shooting Association FAQ on concealed weapons carry:

The law does not prevent a private party, including a business, from restricting firearms on his/her own property.

 

[coloradokevin]

The law is written poorly, but in essence does not restrict the rights of a private business owner (et al) to restrict the carry of firearms on their property.

However, I'm unsure of the ownership of the museum and/or zoo. Both are in Denver's City Park, and both at least seem to claim affiliation with the city. As such, I couldn't honestly tell you if the building is public, or private.

I think the OP handled things well, was civil, and didn't create a scene!

(as someone else mentioned, the catch in all of this would be if they asked you to leave, and you refused... Then they could sign for trespassing.)

 

[Travis McGee]

I don't CCW with T-shirts any more, they print too readily.

I always CCW with a wide variety of loose printed short sleeve shirts instead. Not just Hawaiian shirts, but lots of bold geometric prints. No matter how you lean over, the gun's bulge just won't show.

 

[rmarcustrucker]

another reason I'm into deep concealment, not just casual cover. Not beating a dead horse, but the best way to handle this situation is to make sure no one sees your gun. No offense, just the easy way to handle it. Find a method that works and works 100% of the time to conceal it.

 

[ants]

Like many museums, it is a private not-for-profit organization funded by a combination of foundations, donations, and public funding. It can establish a no-guns policy and has no obligation to post it at the entrance. As coloradokevin says, gun laws are often poorly written and difficult to apply clearly. It takes a lot of good judgement.

Frankly, I think the guard and our member 64nova both did a fabulous job of communicating, cooperating, and taking The High Road.

 

[bakert]

Think both you and the guard conducted yourselves in a polite and proper manner. I agree a properly concealed gun shouldn't be noticed but if so, one who is asked to leave a business or other private property because of having a gun is better off just leaving. Blustering and stating one's god given rights may well get a person a ride downtown

 

[rero360]

oops, wrong thread, trying to cut and copy didn't quite work how I had intended.

 

[koja48]

Think both you and the guard conducted yourselves in a polite and proper manner.

Well-stated, 'nuff said.

 

[Autolycus]

It obviously was not a government building...just hype on the guards' part. For my part, I would have asked the see the law that stated I could not possess my CCW in that location. Unless they could show me the law, or a "lawfully" posted sign prohibiting it, I would not remove the weapon to my automobile. Just my 2 cents.

That is a good way to get arrested for trespassing.

 

[Nnobby45]

What would the rest of you done in this situation?

On the way to the car I would have stopped and bent over and asked the security guard to put his boot up my @&% for being such an amaturish klutzhead and allowing myslelf to be made like that.

Now, mind you, I'm not calling you any names, but that's how I'd see myself if it'd been me.

I would have, under the circumstances, realized whose fault it was and co-operated 'cause I would have deserved it while insuring that it didn't happen again. If a security guard can make me that ease, so can a bad guy.

 

[DWARREN123]

Always be polite and back up any statements with facts, know the laws.
I think you did well.

 

[Geno]

DWARREN said:

Always be polite and back up any statements with facts, know the laws.

I agree. It seems to me the building/business was public per the guard saying "quasi government". If there were no signs declaring it a pistol free zone, trespass is out.

So, I agree,

Always be polite and back up any statements with facts, know the laws.

The part I find laughable on the guards' part is the "...kids around". It's always for the children's benefit and safety. I counter that with, what of my family's safety, and my own safety? I submit as evidence of the lack of security, the fact that the "security" guards did not dare confront until they were multiple against one who was none violent. What would they do if someone were violent? Run? Hide? Call 911? Let everyone be killed?

Always be polite and back up any statements with facts, know the laws.

Unless the requesting person can reference the law stating that they have the authority (not right), the authority to disarm me, or show me state authorized signs prohibiting my carry, carry I will. I would add, conceal well and these matters should not happen. Pick up a nice CCW vest. They have them that match jeans or dress pants.

 

[blackcash88]

Do you live in CT or MA, Chaingun?