illegal immigrants get faith-based pass?

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Tancredo blasts shield for religious groups
He says that by allowing illegal-immigrant volunteers, a new law will aid terrorism.
By Anne C. Mulkern
Denver Post Staff Writer



Washington - A new law that insulates religious groups from prosecution if they use illegal immigrants as volunteers drew outrage Monday from U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, who said it will protect terrorists and that he'll work to repeal it.

"This provision opens a hole in our immigration system so big, a terrorist could drive a truck bomb through it," Tancredo, a Littleton Republican, said in a statement.

"Terrorists in the United States have used religious organizations as fronts before," he said. "This provides legal cover for any church, synagogue, mosque or group that calls itself a religion to aid and abet illegals who may pose a national security threat."

Written by Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, the provision shields religious groups from a federal law against knowingly transporting, concealing, harboring or shielding an illegal immigrant.

That law no longer applies to religious groups as long as the illegal immigrant is volunteering in a religious capacity, such as work as a missionary or in a soup kitchen.

Bennett, chairman of the Senate committee that funds agricultural programs, added the language to a funding bill for the Agriculture Department. It was signed into law Thursday by President Bush.

"It does not under any circumstances allow a terrorist or any illegal alien any kind of special sanctuary," Bennett said Monday. Church volunteers who are illegal immigrants could still face legal action, he said.

He said the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees immigration laws as well as terrorism issues, signed off on the language in the new law.

Bennett wrote the provision at the behest of attorneys for the Mormon Church, which, according to Bennett, uses the largest number of volunteers of any U.S. religious group.

A spokesman for the church, Michael Purdy, said the law will allow illegal
immigrants to serve as Mormon missionaries, which they previously could not do.
"This narrow exception to the immigration act allows people of all faiths to fulfill their religious obligations," Purdy said.

Asked if a church might be protected if it housed illegal immigrants, Bennett said, "No, I don't think so." Bennett said the law does not protect religious groups acting as fronts for terrorists.

But Tancredo's spokesman, Will Adams, said that while Bennett might intend for the law to apply only to soup- kitchen volunteers or missionaries, it will give shelter to those working with terrorists.

While previously the Department of Justice could charge a religious group with immigration violations while it investigated alleged terrorist activities, it no longer can under the new law, said Adams, who previously worked as a Justice Department spokesman.

He said a large number of terrorism cases are first brought as immigration violations and that religious groups have been charged with sheltering terrorists in the past.

Neither the White House nor the Department of Homeland Security responded to inquiries about the new law.

Staff writer Anne C. Mulkern can be reached at 202-662-8907 or [email protected]
 
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Looks to me like backup legislation. The authors want legislation in place in case Bush's amnesty program gets stomped. I'm hearing and reading in various source the immigration legislation we get will be far different than what the ruling class wants. This legislation looks like a back up to keep the stream open even if someone else closes it.
 
Illegal immigrants are essentially burglars; they sneak into our house and steal. Apparantly, this is fine as long as you are a Morman missionary.
Biker
 
Written by Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, the provision shields religious groups from a federal law against knowingly transporting, concealing, harboring or shielding an illegal immigrant.

WHY? :banghead:
 
They're not "illegal immigrants." They're illegal aliens.

Every time we use the term "illegal immigrants," we legitimate the leftist extremists' use of a fake term to make the parasites seem more likeable.
 
[Bennett] said the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees immigration laws as well as terrorism issues, signed off on the language in the new law.
Whew. Had me worried there for a minute but, hey, Homeland Security signed off on it so it must be a good idea. Thank God ... I can sleep peacefully tonight.
Bennett wrote the provision at the behest of attorneys for the Mormon Church, which, according to Bennett, uses the largest number of volunteers of any U.S. religious group.

A spokesman for the church, Michael Purdy, said the law will allow illegal
immigrants to serve as Mormon missionaries, which they previously could not do.
"This narrow exception to the immigration act allows people of all faiths to fulfill their religious obligations," Purdy said.
Pardon my obtuseness, but why the heck can't they fulfill their religious obligations in their own damned countries? I don't need any more missionaries trying to convert me. I don't mean to offend those whose religions call for witnessing and prosletyzing, but the fact is I am an ordained minister, and it offends ME to have a bunch of people wander into my yard, uninvited, and waste my time when what I really REALLY need to do is fix my Jeep, not stand around listening to them trying to explain why I should set aside 60 years of faith in my religion and convert to theirs just because they say they're right and my denomination is wrong (or, if they're being especially polite, "less right").
 
I don't think much of any of this 'faith-based' crap. Don't get me too wrong, I'm all for churches doing charity (the Lord's) work, I just don't want government subsidizing it. Charity for charity's sake, afterall, and 'render unto Caesar . . '. OTOH, one doesn't have to look too hard to find evidence of churches being as corrupt, if not more so, than government (Southern Baptist klaverns, Catholic pederasts, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Mormon poligamists, Hamas, yadda-yadda - I'd try to offend eveyone equally, but I just can't name them all . . . ).

There's too much opportunity for this to get hincky, gov't $$ is addicting and corrupting, and it's just too easy for those who 'answer to a higher authority' to take the money for all the wrong reasons and do something dumb/tasteless/justplainwrong (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) to pursue their own agendas, such as using their 'beliefs' as a dodge to circumvent legitimate secular issues (such as illegal aliens). Bluntly, I don't trust any church any more than I trust any government, they all must be watched constantly (Thos. Jefferson, "eternal vigilance")

Let's keep the government out of church and the church out of government, and may the Lord preserve us from both.

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Standing Wolf said:
They're not "illegal immigrants." They're illegal aliens.

Every time we use the term "illegal immigrants," we legitimate the leftist extremists' use of a fake term to make the parasites seem more likeable.

Exactly. In fact, they are criminals, because they are violating U.S. laws. They have entered the country illegally, they are working here illegally, they are evading the payment of income taxes, and, in many cases, they have false identification.
JT
 
They're not "illegal immigrants." They're illegal aliens.

Every time we use the term "illegal immigrants," we legitimate the leftist extremists' use of a fake term to make the parasites seem more likeable.
Good point!
 
This is a dangerous precedent, the conflation of illegal immigration with some kind of higher cause and authority that supersedes our rule of civil and criminal law. It is already clear, frankly, that various religious organizations see illegal immigration as a way of swelling their ranks, masking that natural human desire for accretion of power as "humanitarianism." Humanitarianism that falls outside the law is civil disobedience--and now we are legitimizing this? Yes, dangerous and disgusting.

We've gone from voodoo economics to California mission economics, it appears.
 
Standing Wolf said:
They're not "illegal immigrants." They're illegal aliens.

Every time we use the term "illegal immigrants," we legitimate the leftist extremists' use of a fake term to make the parasites seem more likeable.
Good point, but I don't believe that the leftists are the only ones to engage in this particular proclivity. How many times has Bush said "They only come here to do the work that Americans won't do" or "Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande."?
The right is just as guilty as the left, in this case.
Biker
 
Biker said:
Good point, but I don't believe that the leftists are the only ones to engage in this particular proclivity. How many times has Bush said "They only come here to do the work that Americans won't do" or "Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande."?
The right is just as guilty as the left, in this case.
Biker
Biker: You are correct that both left and right share blame here and the fault is not specifically with the migrant workers or illegal aliens. The fault is our own for letting these people in the door. A barrier on south and north border is necessary to protect our nation from those that threaten our livelihood. This is not to cast blame on them directly, but only what they might do.

In other words, we need to protect ourselves from ourselves; we hire migrant workers and illegal aliens not knowing the consequences of our actions on our society and our economy. A barrier on our border is essential!
 
Mike in VA has it right. Too many churches and religeous groups meddling in politics. Too many polititions spouting religeous crap from both sides of the aisle. Also I've always thought athough some missionaries may do good work many, maybe even most of them cause more grief than good with their naive understanding of the people they "work" with.
 
It's important that the LDS missionaries get to continue their work - think of all the bicycle companies they support. I hate to see Schwinn or Huffy go the way of General Motors. So what if they're in the country illegally, that's just a tiny legal issue that this bill fixes.

Looking down the road, I can see Walmart changing it's name to the "Walmart Mission and Generally Cheap Stuff From China Church". With this creative legislation they'll be able to take advantage of a new hiring pool of really cheap labor. The employee base known as "associates" will be replaced with "missionaries", the greeters will replace "Welcome to Walmart" with "Aleluya" and bathroom stalls will double up as confessionals. I'm glad President Bush, the greatest leader of our time, signed this bill.
 
Grimly humorous, yes, but there is nothing farfetched about seeing our policies defined by missionary capitalism.

Legislation like this profanes both religion and law, no mean feat.
 
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