Illinois, arming America

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Nope... we (WI) won't take Chicago. We may not be the brightest, but we ain't THAT dumb...

And we'll still be miles ahead of y'all with gun friendliness: the only thing *I* can think we still need to do is get some form of legal CCW (either overturning the law against, or getting a permit system)...
 
beerslurpy,
Why do you hate to admit that we're a battleground state and the battle can be won? There are many good people here working hard to win that battle. Just as an aside, we beat the Daley gun control legislation package back every year. Not only do we beat it back, but we counterattack and win. You Florida citizens got all the national press when you passed your so called make my day law. Guess what, we passed a no retreat law a year before Florida did and no one heard about it. Not only did we pass it, but the most blatantly anti-gun governor we ever had signed it.

Hopefully a federal prosecutor will end Daley's career in the next year or so. The ensuing power struggle for contol of the corrupt Chicago system will divide the Chicago block enough to render them helpless for a while. They will be too busy dividing up the spolis to pay much attention to statewide issues.

But the biggest thing we have to do to turn things around is convince the RINOs in the collar counties to see the light. Without them, the Chicago block is not big enough to stand against the rest of the state.

It's the democratic party that has kept Illinois from being Sarah Brady's dreamland. The southern Illinois Democrats to be exact. Daley made a grave tactical error two elections ago, when he failed to support Glen Poshard, the pro gun Southern Illinois Democrat for governor when he won the nomination. The failure to turn out the vote in Chicago let the the RINO (and soon to be convicted felon) George Ryan into office. The Democrats from down here haven't forgotten that.

The legislature goes back into session on the 25th for the Fall veto session. I'm sure we'll see Acevedo's assault weapons ban and more of the Daley package and we'll have to beat it down again. I'm sure the article that started this thread is just a warm up for the battle.

The republican party is in disarray. Real conservatives are pretty much locked out. The state organization thinks that only someone just to the right of Lenin can win here. But we're working on changing that at the precinct level.

We can turn the country around if we all just get involved. It won't be overnight, but if we spent half the time and energy we put into preaching to the converted and whining here at THR and other places online we could make a difference. I hate politics with all my heart, yet I am involved as a republican precinct commiteeman here. We can't change things from the outside. The system is set up against it. The two parties have set up the election laws in a way that allows them to share power and effectively shut out other parties. State and federal congressional districts are gerrymandered by the party that is in power after the census every ten years to benefit that party. Most states have written winner take all provisions for dividing up electoral votes so that it's easier and cheaper to campaign. Of course this effectively eliminates the voice of the people in less populated areas, which is what the electoral college was set up to prevent. Think how our political landscape would change if all congressional districts were pretty squars or rectangles starting in the Northeast corner of the state and were done strictly by population, and if every elector voted the way his or her district voted for president.

Jeff
 
Chicago is not Illinois!

And we'd gladly sell it to Wisconsin or Michigan (I think Indiana is too smart to buy it). Ok Wisconsin and Michigan members, I'll give ou a better deal then the Dutch paid for Manhatten Island, $20 dollars in glass beads and it's yours...

Heck, in MICHIGAN, we will give you a better deal to get rid of DETRIOT!!!!
 
I hate to admit it because I dont see a clear path to victory. Overcoming the burden of the 19th amendment is pretty hard. Look at the crap that Florida still gets sometimes. We are pretty much solid conservatives except for Miami-Dade and Broward counties.
 
Mulliga said:
Isn't Bushmaster in Maine? I thought the gun laws were decent there.

True enough, one town north of me. :) And gun laws are fine. Shall issue, no waiting, no nothin'. :)

-James
 
The best case scenario would be for all the cronies in the city to get washed in Lake Michigan along with Sarah Brady...:D I dunno, send 'em up to Canada or something like that.:neener:
 
Seems to me the handwriting is on the wall. Move to a more friendly environment at a time of your choosing or ultimately be forced to move or close down at a most inoppotune time.
Another vote for Texas. I have a 165 acres they could use to set up a factory. That would be much better than the current industry in the area.
Prisons:D .
 
"The only guns we see (in Chicago) are in the hands of police or criminals," he said. "Guns in our neighborhood almost always mean trouble. I wish (gun owners) could understand just how problematic guns are in our part of the world."

Now that's funny. I wonder which of those two Chicago area groups are more problematic.
 
Simple solution

I don't see why manufacturers don't simply work together to halt all sales of firearms to police forces that are controlled by anti-gun rights governments.
If the Chicago PD couldn't get firearms, parts or service for their firearms, you can bet your life that the FOP will bang down legislative doors to stop any piece of legislation that would hurt arms manufcaturers. Ronnie Barrett had the right idea, it just needs to be applied on a larger scale. Throw ammunition makers into the mix and they can make any anti-gun rights legislators tremble.
 
I don't see why manufacturers don't simply work together to halt all sales of firearms to police forces that are controlled by anti-gun rights governments.
If the Chicago PD couldn't get firearms, parts or service for their firearms, you can bet your life that the FOP will bang down legislative doors to stop any piece of legislation that would hurt arms manufcaturers. Ronnie Barrett had the right idea, it just needs to be applied on a larger scale. Throw ammunition makers into the mix and they can make any anti-gun rights legislators tremble.

That would be great...however, someone is always willing to cross the picket line and the profit motive for fat gubmint contracts is to high ignore. Or...because private industry deemed it fit to abandon Gubmint enforcement agencies and their need for firearms...they just import, or worse yet...they ban civilian sales altogether and launch state run manufacturing facilities.
 
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