Illinois to Become the First Openly Socialist American State

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In a move that will surely make socialists in MA, CA, NJ and MD green with envy, governor Blagojevich announced that the last casino license in Illinois was awarded to a company who proposes to build it, sell it to the state for a dollar and then run it under contract. Blagojevich floated a trial balloon last year where he suggested he would nationalize (stateize??) all the casinos and run them for the state's profit, paying the former owners a a fee to operate them.

Why go through the effort to tax someone when you can just pocket all the take? I wonder if this casino is going to be built on Meigs Field? I am not against gambling...but I am against the state owning and running any business.

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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...become+first+state+owner+of+casino+under+bid+

Jan 30, 5:14 PM EST

Ill. Would Own Casino Under Bid Plan

By MAURA KELLY
Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO (AP) -- Illinois would become the first state to own a casino, under a $506 million bid submitted by a gambling hall operator.

Penn National Gaming, a publicly held company, is bidding for Illinois' last remaining casino license. It is proposing to build a $255 million casino, sell it to Illinois for $1, and then manage it for the state, a source close to the bidding process said.

Penn, which wants to build the casino in the Chicago suburb of Rosemont, is bidding against six other companies.

Illinois' nine casinos are privately owned. But Gov. Rod Blagojevich and Chicago Mayor Richard Daley have both expressed interest in having publicly owned casinos run by management companies.

"We still haven't seen the details of the bid, so it's way too early to comment," said Abby Ottenhoff, a spokeswoman for Blagojevich.

Gambling opponents vowed to fight the state's possible ownership of a casino.

The Rev. Tom Grey, executive director of Rockford-based National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling, questioned how Illinois could regulate a casino that it owns.

If the state gaming board awards Penn the license, the certificate's current owners would be paid $156 million and the state would be paid $350 million.

Illinois would own 80 percent of the casino and private investors would own the rest. Penn would manage the casino for 20 years and receive 10 percent of the gross revenue.

Penn, a Pennsylvania-based company, owns Hollywood Casino in Aurora.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 
The state sells liquor in a good portion of the Northeast. This casino thing is a shame, but it ain't the "first" of anything...
 
Wow, I'm impressed. Take that New York and New Jersey!

Jeff.. go ahead and tell me when "Brave New World" and "1984" are sold as instruction manuals in that state...:barf:
 
So how about the State of Illinois own and operate all the casinos, riverboats, OTBs, Lotto, etc. All staffed and managed by fine upstanding (and unionized) state employees after thorough "honesty assessments" by the Daley and Blogo folks. All proceeds go into the state's general funds.
AND anyone recieving subsidized state income, is totally banned from gambling. ...AND while we're at it we will be honest with ourselves and call it a "stupid tax"!

Geez, I was born and raised here, have kids and grandkids here, a farm, a business, and an elderly mother here, and roots that go waaaay deep here. But if this crap continues, I'm going to HAVE to talk the wife into a major relocation.
 
What are the chances of any of the state endevors turning a profit? There will be more creative bookeeping than can be kept tract of. The premice for the movie Casino will be alive and well.
 
Washington runs a monopoly on liquor as well. The fact that the stores tend to operate on banking hours makes things decidedly inconveneint for those who dont plan ahead.
 
On second thought...
maybe what we really need, is more of this... alot more of this.
Maybe if it gets bad enough, folks will "see the light" and the teeny-weeny part of the state south of Dekalb and west of Rockford will say ENOUGH!
 
Well, heck, after learning in 2003 that the City of Chicago was going to license reporters (some of them might be child molesters), nothing surprises me.

At RKBA marches I would carry a sign that read, "REGISTER REPORTERS." Always got a strong reaction from those covering the issue.

http://illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=6702
"Chicago is a few weeks away from a new program to fingerprint and conduct criminal background checks on each of the 3,000 reporters and editors who request press credentials from the city," says the June 18 Leader story, "City Hall to require journalists' fingerprints."
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Next, priests

A government hell-bent on registering reporters or gun owners is going on the dark side. Next they will be registering priests, for the children.

Rick DeStephens
Phoenix, Arizona
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Rick
 
Interesting trend...maybe it's just a new way to fight organized crime. The state, they only legal outlet for sin.

The states that sell liquor don't produce it though. The state actually owning the casino is owning the means of production. Once they get gambling sewed up, maybe they'll move into prostitution :rolleyes: .

Jeff
 
I was watching WGN the other night and they showed some Chicago police raids where they were taking gambling machines out of different businesses such as electronic poker machines..... The police official at the press conference had the gall to say that it was a good thing because they were run by the mafia.

Then he went on to tell a story about some woman complaining that her husband doesn't come home with a paycheck because he gambles it all away on payday....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I guess it's alright to give it all to the state though.

Talk about corruption at the highest levels.
 
Gambling is a REGRESSIVE TAX plain and SIMPLE!

Too many bleeding heart liberals are licking their chops at how much money they can rake in no matter what the cost to scociety it is simply pathetic.


Gambling = more crime and more cops on the streets since they suddenly have no idea where this "new" crime came from.

Gambling = more poor people which in turn must be "rehabilitated" by the state in some form or fashion, hence yet again MORE state employees.

The TRUE bleeding heart liberals KNOW THIS deep down inside and DO NOT CARE ABOUT the "average joe" out there, they care about STATE run programs and taxing the hell out of you and ME.

It is a viscious cycle that is NEVER ENDING!!!

Ever been to Elgin IL down by the riverboat casino??? It is a TOTAL HOLE!!! Anyone from around here would most likely agree.

IL would be tons better with NO casino's and CCW......Crime would instantly DROP by 30% (or more).

Liberals do NOT want that though....They want you to be SLAVE to the almighty state. With no casinos (no regressive tax) and CCW we the people could employ LESS police and LESS state workers thereby lowering taxes.

It is pretty simple, Socialism dosen't work no matter who is calling the shots and casino's no matter where they are simply fast forward the effects of this on scociety.

Sorry for the rant.....it is late.

~L
 
Sounds like a standard franchise operation to me. State claims ownership. State gives the right to operate under contract to a private company in exchange for a slice of the profits. Government can not operate nuthin' but it can cash a check. Looks to me like IL learned a lesson. (For the sake of discussion we'll ignore issue like confiscation of property w/o due process).

A number of states are moving out of direct operation of gambling and moving instead to a franchise operation. Problem is the companies which promote gambling to legislatures know its a sucker bet and don't want to get sucked into operations. They would rather get fat consulting fees and promotional contracts rather than assume the risk of operations..Bottom line the state now wins regardless and the company running the operation assumes the risk. Ain't this what government does everywhere else?
 
The company gets ten percent of gross profit? "gross profit"is all income before expenses are figured? If I sit down at a slot machine, assume a dollar machine, with 100$, and play, I think I would expect to win one time out of five pulls on the handle? play five, win two, play ten, win five, etc. I might handle 1,000$ before my first hundred is gone. How do you figure the gross profit out of that? Will the operating company get ten percent of the hundred I started with? Or ten percent of the thousand I put in the machine?

It looks to me like a lot of creative book keeping will happen.
 
The term gross PROFIT is a tad misleading. It isnt the same as Gross income. In theory the PROFIT is the money left over after the overhead has been paid and money has been reinvested. SO, they are getting 10% of THAT. I cant remember the numbers but last time i talked so someone in the buisiness i think that it was something like for every $100 put into the casino about $95-$99 were paid out. When you think about how often $100 goes in it adds up pretty quick.
 
The state sells liquor in Ohio?
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Like Pennsylvania. In PA, we have "state stores" run by the PA Liquor Control Board, which are the only stores in which you can buy hard liquor and wine (except for some wineries). Beer is sold mostly in privately-owned beer and soda distributors, although a lot of bars and pizza joints sell it by the six pack, if you don't mind paying through the nose.

At least the gun laws here are pretty good.
 
The states that sell liquor don't produce it though. The state actually owning the casino is owning the means of production. Once they get gambling sewed up, maybe they'll move into prostitution .
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Sorry, too late for that, His Billness already beat them to it. ( & they said Monica would never amount to any thing, er was that mount?):uhoh: :rolleyes: :D :D :D
 
I call developments like this one "ISRA Victories." It makes them sound so much more positive. See, the original plan was a LOT worse, so in forcing Blago to "settle" for this "little" of what he wanted, we actually routed him and won a glorious victory. At least, that's how it works with gun rights.

Originally, Blago floated a balloon about the state simply stepping in and taking ownership of all the casinos currently operating away from the legitimate owners. True Stalin-Mao Communist style!

There was a public outcry, but not what you would hope. After all, the people who own those casinos are today's equivalent of robber barons--they only have the casinos because they had the connections to get the government to do things their way whenever they wished.
 
I know what Blago can do to raise money....He can seize the machinery in the abandoned factories in Central and Southern Illinios and move it to the prisons and put the convicts to work. :eek:

Hey it works in China.....

Jeff
 
I know its a bit OT from the casino in IL...
but
"Chicago is a few weeks away from a new program to fingerprint and conduct criminal background checks on each of the 3,000 reporters and editors who request press credentials from the city," says the June 18 Leader story, "City Hall to require journalists' fingerprints."
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now that I can see... simply because a press pass gets you into and around alot of sensitive areas and people.
 
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