However, if you step up to the 2014 Festiva ST...1911 guy said:
...then you're looking at a STI Trojan
In the Market for a 1911-Do You Get What You Pay For?
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...then you're looking at a STI Trojan
sauer1911
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If the STI Trojan is equal to a 2014 Ford Festiva, well then.
My Sig Sauer 1911 TTT is umm, A Volkswagen Passat TDI SEL! 46mpg to Las Vegas and back!! hehe!
(The STI is pretty awesome, I just am hooked on Sig's!)
be safe and Merry Christmas!
My Sig Sauer 1911 TTT is umm, A Volkswagen Passat TDI SEL! 46mpg to Las Vegas and back!! hehe!
(The STI is pretty awesome, I just am hooked on Sig's!)
be safe and Merry Christmas!
45_auto
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Sorry, I just can't get excited about a pistol that has a billboard of the world's most popular contraceptive on the slide.
If we're lucky, STI will release the new "IUD" or "Sponge" at the 2014 Shot Show for all the new female gun owners .....
If we're lucky, STI will release the new "IUD" or "Sponge" at the 2014 Shot Show for all the new female gun owners .....
orionengnr
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Your standards aren't very high, are they?
RetiredUSNChief
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Well...I suppose you could consider it a form of retroactive abortion for bad guys who would violently attack somebody armed with such a pistol...
Depends on what type of shooter you are.. If the gun will only see a thousand rounds in its lifetime then it really don't matter which 1911 you buy. If your going to shoot a 1000rds a week, week in and week out I'd opt for tool steel, pinned not glued, machined not MIM, etc. etc. etc.
SwampWolf
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The very 1911 variant I would recommend for having the "best bang for the buck"-and I love the compact but adjustable rear sight that comes with this pistol.
Would like your opinions on "do you get what you pay for" in a 1911-i.e. do I need to look at the $1,000-1,500 range for a gun I'll like? (in this price range Kimber and S&W look nice).
Yes and no. $900 for a new SIG TAC-OPS, or $1500 for a used LesBaer?
Not too long ago I traded a S&W .357 revolver for a PARA GI Expert-shot like a champ, not pleasing to the eye, but ran everything I fed it.
If you must have a new 1911 in your range, I go STI, and you get MORE than you pay for IMO. Want it de-horned? SHip it to a 'smith.
Yes and no. $900 for a new SIG TAC-OPS, or $1500 for a used LesBaer?
Not too long ago I traded a S&W .357 revolver for a PARA GI Expert-shot like a champ, not pleasing to the eye, but ran everything I fed it.
If you must have a new 1911 in your range, I go STI, and you get MORE than you pay for IMO. Want it de-horned? SHip it to a 'smith.
Deaf Smith
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It's a hit and miss GerryM.
Hit and miss.
Some lower cost guns like the RIs seem to be a good value.
But others are put together poorly and you have jam-a-matics.
My two Colt 1911 Commanders (Series 80 and later) work wonderfully.
My Dan Wesson Patriot CBOB and Kimber Gold Match MK 1 are also excellent.
But I've seen others jam on the range very often.
Quality control is the main problem. Some companies are consistent in QC but some are not.
Deaf
Hit and miss.
Some lower cost guns like the RIs seem to be a good value.
But others are put together poorly and you have jam-a-matics.
My two Colt 1911 Commanders (Series 80 and later) work wonderfully.
My Dan Wesson Patriot CBOB and Kimber Gold Match MK 1 are also excellent.
But I've seen others jam on the range very often.
Quality control is the main problem. Some companies are consistent in QC but some are not.
Deaf
farscott
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The answer to the question, "Do you get what you pay for in 1911s?" is, "It depends." Many manufacturers make 1911-style pistols, and the prices range from $500 to well over $5,000 (Wilson Classic Supergrade MSRP is $5,195). Is the $5,000 gun ten times the $500 gun? Probably not in a precision and accuracy sense, but in a pride of ownership sense, the answer is "Yes." I have owned Wilson Combat guns, but I sold them all to people who wanted them more than I did -- and for more than I paid. In that sense, the guns were worth it.
That being said, there are a lot of great 1911s in the lower price ranges. The STI Spartan and the Springfield Armory (SA) Range Officer are great target guns at prices well under $1,000. Both STI and SA have excellent warranties and support. Colt is still making Gold Cup variants at prices around $1200. At that price point, the STI Trojan (which now comes with a much smaller and less obtrusive rollmark) is a great pistol.
That being said, there are a lot of great 1911s in the lower price ranges. The STI Spartan and the Springfield Armory (SA) Range Officer are great target guns at prices well under $1,000. Both STI and SA have excellent warranties and support. Colt is still making Gold Cup variants at prices around $1200. At that price point, the STI Trojan (which now comes with a much smaller and less obtrusive rollmark) is a great pistol.
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Maybe this will help add some prospective. I owned a Series 70 Gold Cup NM for years, probably 10+, bought it off my dad, it was the gun I learned to shoot with. I got rid of it about a year ago, just had lost interest in it, and I never got the accuracy from it that I thought it should have been capable of. After about 6 months I decided that I really missed having a 1911, and started looking. Ended up trading a revolver for a Sig 1911. IMO it is better than my old Colt was in every way. Its tighter, feels a little better in my hand, and is significantly more accurate. I'd definitely look at Sigs, STIs, and Paras. After handling most of the lower to mid range 1911s at my local shop, these three felt best to me. Really liked the Para Elite, seemed very well put together.
wow6599
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It really all depends on your point of view. I bought a 2011 Colt Series 70 for a little over $1k.
When Colt's custom shop got done with it for me (14 months and another $1300) I ended up with this -
Was it worth about $2500 total? Maybe........I really don't know, but probably not.
When Colt's custom shop got done with it for me (14 months and another $1300) I ended up with this -
Was it worth about $2500 total? Maybe........I really don't know, but probably not.
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You've heard this enough but you absolutely get what you pay for in 1911s. I would suggest that if you are not willing to spend from $800 to $1000 for a base gun, the 1911 game may not be for you.
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The only under $1000 1911's I'd bother with are Colts. At least you can replace the offensive MIM parts as needed with quality parts.
The other big time mass produced guns like Kimber and Springy seem overpriced to me by a large margin. I can understand them being $200 more than a Glock. But many are way over $1000. When your assembly line can spit out thousands of 1911 and you have idiots building them and QC'ing them, then your prices should come down a bit. And I no longer trust the mass producers anymore. Just too spotty for me to CCW.
I'd gladly pay $500 for a mass produced 1911 that needed a ton of parts and work. But no more.
I think the best buys are 1911's that are 100% quality out of the box. Even if you have to pay much more. Dan Wesson is my current choice. Followed by EB, LB, and Colt.
The other big time mass produced guns like Kimber and Springy seem overpriced to me by a large margin. I can understand them being $200 more than a Glock. But many are way over $1000. When your assembly line can spit out thousands of 1911 and you have idiots building them and QC'ing them, then your prices should come down a bit. And I no longer trust the mass producers anymore. Just too spotty for me to CCW.
I'd gladly pay $500 for a mass produced 1911 that needed a ton of parts and work. But no more.
I think the best buys are 1911's that are 100% quality out of the box. Even if you have to pay much more. Dan Wesson is my current choice. Followed by EB, LB, and Colt.
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I got an up close look at the TISAS 45 sold at Budds. It has the tightest fit slide to frame of any cheapo factory 45 I have run across up to now. With some trigger work, it could turn out to be a great shooter.
The question is, for how long will it hold up?
The question is, for how long will it hold up?
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