Interesting (albeit emotional) article.

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/greenhut/greenhut10.html

Earlier this week, some TV talking-head defender of New York's draconian
gun laws insisted that a man who shot an intruder he found in his child's
room needed to be jailed. That's because his gun was not yet registered in
the state of New York. An example had to be made of the man, you see,
because of the importance of the state's gun laws in protecting public
safety.

What should the gun owner have done? Sit back and allowed the invader to
have his will with the family? The answer, apparently, is yes. Just be a
victim, don't protect yourself, rely on the police to help you. That's the
thinking of the officials who want to disarm all Americans.

Yet a court case in California makes it painfully clear - for anyone who
places a great deal of trust in the government's armed agents - that
police agencies don't need to respond to your call. They don't even need
to help you with a simple call to an ambulance after you have suffered
serious injuries in an accident. They usually will, but they don't have to
help you.

In August last year, 25-year-old Aaron James Jelks fell from a bridge off
of an Interstate highway near Sacramento. As the Sacramento Bee reported,
Jelks crashed his car into a center guardrail between two freeways, then
plunged 60 feet to the ground after he foolishly tried to jump six feet to
the other side of the bridge. The details aren't perfectly clear based on
the news story, but this much is certain: A motorist called 911 and
reported to the California Highway Patrol that a man was hanging from a
bridge, and two patrolmen came out to the scene.

"Minutes after Jelks fell, CHP officers Joe Frasier and Ron Whiting
arrived on the bridge," reported the Bee. "The veteran patrolmen
surveyed the scene and drove away after ordering a tow truck to remove
Jelks' car ... The CHP has not denied the patrolmen knew Jelks was in
peril."

Apparently, the man lived for two hours, probably writhing in agony
below the bridge, but the police officers - told about the man's
situation from the motorist - simply ordered a tow truck and drove away. A
severely injured man is nothing more than a hunk of debris to the "brave"
officers of the CHP. They didn't even have to risk a hair on their head or
inconvenience themselves a bit. They just had to call an ambulance. As
Jelks' mother complained, "They knew he was down there. Witnesses told
them he was down there. All they had to do was help him."

The Jelks sued the CHP for this act of inhumanity and negligence. But
rather than own up to their errors, CHP officials defended themselves with
an argument that all Americans should keep in mind.

"Injured motorists have no right to expect help from the California
Highway Patrol - even when officers arrive in time to save a life, a
lawyer for the state Department of Justice office told a judge Tuesday,"
according to the Bee report. Here are the words of the Justice Department
attorney:

"The officers have absolutely no duty to help him. The facts in this
case are devastating, especially to his parents, but there is no duty by
the CHP to offer help.... Mr. Jelks made a very poor decision when he
decided to jump from one side of the bridge to the other. You can't
transfer that liability to the CHP."

How outrageous. Certainly, CHP cannot be held liable for the actions of
the man. But the family wasn't abusing the tort system in a way that is so
typical these days, by blaming private companies for the misuse of their
properly functioning products. The Jelks were suing CHP because its
officers apparently knew that a man was injured, yet didn't even bother
calling an ambulance for help. They simply, coldly, cowardly drove away.
You or I could be arrested in this state for harming an animal, yet the
state's officials can treat a human being like road debris with impunity.

I wonder if they sleep well at nights.

Yes, we all know, as the attorney said, that cops don't have to help any
citizens unless the cop caused the injury or in a few other limited
circumstances. Police also are immune to most lawsuits. We know that's
true, yet we still act as if we can count on the police to help us in our
time of need.

The judge had considered throwing out the lawsuit, but said that he was
still thinking about how he would rule. It's not hard to guess how the
suit will eventually wind up. Not many judges are willing to take on any
aspect of the government, let alone the state's most powerful police
agency.

There are important lessons here. Remember that the government protects
its own, and we are at the mercy of its agents. Remember that the police
do not have to help you. Remember that prosecutors would rather you allow
your family to be murdered than to allow you to pull out an unregistered
gun in self-defense. Remember that many police do not care one whit about
your life or your safety. Public safety is just a term they use to justify
their 3 percent at 50 retirement plans.

As California struggles with a $38 billion budget deficit cause by
runaway government spending, local politicians whine about the chance that
the state will balance the budget on the backs of law enforcement and
other local public safety expenses. No one ever challenges the assumption
that police are there to protect us. The debate is only over how much more
money to give them.

Yet think back about Jelks, his accident and his suffering. His life
meant nothing to the California Highway Patrol - literally, nothing.
That's exactly what your life means to your local law enforcement agent.
The least we can do is raise those points when the police unions start
demanding more of our tax dollars.

Steven Greenhut is a senior editorial writer and columnist for the
Orange County Register.

© 2003 LewRockwell.com
 
one wonders about this, as at Common Law over here one can still be found guilty of manslaughter for an omission (that is not doing an act that it is ones duty to provide - ie Police or medical staff failing to act causing a death), or at the very least a malfeasance in a public office (basically the same thing).

is there really no duty of care for US Police and does this extend to the Fire Service and (though you have no equivalent) Ambulance and other medical staff?
 
99% of the time our emergency response personnel, fire dept
EMS or search and rescue go above and beyond whether they
are required to or not.

The cliche of a firefighter getting a cat out of the tree
is not uncommon.

The police on the other hand will get the cat out of the tree with a riot gun. :evil:
 
No offense ag, but with how long you've been around here and TFL, I'm shocked you don't already know that.

Yes, the United States Supreme Court, United States Congress, as well as dozens (hundreds, perhaps?) of lower courts have unanimously ruled that the police have NO responsibility whatsoever to protect individual citizens. They exist solely for the protection of the public at large.

As for the fire and ambulance services, I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine similar policies apply to them.

You've heard the old saying "Call for an ambulance and then for a pizza and see which one arrives first." (If it arrives at all, I'll add) It exists for a reason.

Check these out:

http://glocktalk.gunserver.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1513435

http://hematite.com/dragon/policeprot.html

mhtml:http://rkba.org/judicial/no-police-protection
 
What gives me most cause for concern, is not just the ''official policy'' ....... it's the fact that cops are .... we are led to believe ..... humans too like us. And there are many who are just that.

I would have thought (and hoped) that the average guy in uniform would have enough compassion for someone injured or dying, to at least do something to assist, even if indirectly.

If these guys did as reported then I'd tend to see them as cold, totally uncaring, JBT's. And I doubt I'd pi$$ on one of those if he was on fire.

What goes around -- comes around.:(
 
CHP is often the first on the scene to emergency situations and the only law enforcement in remote areas in the state. I doubt that CHP on the scene callously ignored an injured party and left the scene. One of my sons is an EMT in a remote area of N. California and has worked with the CHP to save all manner of the unfortunate and unthinking from their fates. Being legally responsible is something else again. I wouldn't portray these guys as unfeeling louts or cowards just to emphasize the fact that you are the primary responsible party for your own self defense!
 
No argument with you, Cal4D4, but the question remains as to why the two policemen drove away from the scene. (Assuming the story had the facts straight.) It strikes me as just plain weird behavior for anybody, much less a policeman.

Art
 
Art wrote
Assuming the story had the facts straight
Unfortunately my trust in the printed word from the "press" is very thin. I think I like to see more real evidence from another source before I'll pass jugdement on these two CHP officers.

That said, the life of a CHP officer can, I'm sure leave one somewhat callous to peoples misfortune. This callous? Hard to believe that there are not other facts to this story. If true, I say let the punishment fit the crime:fire:
What goes around -- comes around.

Amen
 
The cops aren't the only ones that are exempt from punishment for this type of activity. Remember the guy, David Cash Jr., who stood outside the bathroom door of a casino in Las Vegas while his buddy, Jeremy Strohmeyer, raped and murdered a seven-year-old girl in one of the stalls?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1998/Aug-09-Sun-1998/news/7998731.html

Cash, 19, of La Palma, Calif., is a key witness in the case and has said he saw part of the attack on the girl, according to authorities.
According to court documents, prosecutors admitted to the grand jury that they believe insufficient evidence exists to file criminal charges against Cash.
"If in fact he saw what was happening and saw that she was alive and didn't stop it ... if that was all he did and nothing else, then it is not a crime," Clark County District Attorney Stewart Bell told the Las Vegas Review-Journal in June 1997. "It may be a crime in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of the Nevada Legislature."

The only difference is that the outraged community moved to pass legislation to assure that the next guy who does this won't be able to get off.

The mother of a 7-year-old girl who was raped and killed in a Primm casino called Saturday for Nevada to create a good Samaritan law requiring anyone who sees a child attacked to notify police.
Yolanda Manuel also repeated a previous request that a man authorities say witnessed a portion of the 1997 attack should be prosecuted as an accessory.
"I am requesting that the Clark County prosecutors charge him as an accessory to the kidnapping, rape and murder," Manuel said. "And ask that ... Nevada ... pass a bill making it illegal" for an adult who is an eyewitness to a child being attacked to fail to report it to authorities.
 
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