Is it illegal for an FFL to shoot NIB firearms?

[Loosedhorse]

New means that it was purchased as a new gun and will be sold that way.

So, if it fell off the truck, got run over three times, and looks slightly better than a Custer relic...it can be labeled as a new gun? Legally, could be; most wouldn't call that honest.

Perhaps I am wrong, but "one lie" is kinda like "one mosquito" or "one ant at a picnic." Doesn't happen. Such dishonesty most likely marks a dishonest shop all around.

The buyer always has the choice of not buying. That is the dominant power that they have.

Your lone choice not to buy that one item, or even to personally boycott the store, pales in comparison to the effect a conversation, organized campaign, or formal complaint may have--whether to the Better Business Bureau, the Chamber of Commerce, or to law enforcement.

If interested in making a difference, the buyer has all of those options, and they can be used in an "escalation of force" manner, depending on what reaction one receives. It remains true that the only "power" the lazy have is to walk away in silence, and not think about whether that makes them "part of the problem." Who cares if someone else gets fleeced, 'slong as it's not me?

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

Not libelous; fraud.

fraud is criminally libel

 

[Whiskey11]

Funny this topic surfaces when my last trip to cabelas involved looking at two "new" ar15s, one a bushy "target" and the other a s&w carbine. Both bolt carriers showed significant brass fouling on the bolt face which was similar to what my r700's bolt face looked like after about 100 rounds or so of .308. Suffice to say I was less than impressed. The good news is that it was a display model, and I was reassured that if I bought one it would only be factory test fired and genuinely new.

 

[doc2rn]

A yr ago I was at the local range/ shop/ man cave when a guy walks in with a S&W .40 he paid top dollar for "new". My first thought was to call the owner over to explain why the weapon he had not fired yet was not new. This weapons slide had been cycled at least 3,000 times.
I showed him the S&W 9mm I had just bought 2 days earlier and had just put 100 rds through still looked better than the one he had. Pointed out the slide marks and the barrel rings etc...
He was back the next week with a New .40.

 

[ironhead7544]

NIB is really a collector thing. To them it means right from the factory and test fired only by the factory. It also means not sold at retail to someone else. If a dealer buys an unfired gun from an owner not a dealer then he should mark it "as new". If the dealer fires one shot from it then its not NIB anymore as far as collectors are concerned. I used to work in a shop that handled many collector guns and this is my understanding of it.

 

[Whiskey11]

I'm no collector, but I like to know exactly how many rounds are down the barrel and how it was treated. Unless I know the seller of a used firearm personally and know the gun was well treated, I won't buy it. Life is too short to mess with broken and abused guns.

I feel the same way about cars. The lower the dealer driven miles the better.

 

[dogtown tom]

Apocalypse-Now

Quote:
Not libelous; fraud.

fraud is criminally libel

You are confusing two very different words with similiar pronounciation:
Libel
1. a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.

Liable
means legally responsible: as in you are liable for the damage caused by your action.

 

[mp510]

If he is a sole proprietor it's his to do with as he pleases as no 4473 or NICS is required. If his business is a partnership or corporation a 4473 and NICS would be required before he could acquire it for personal use.

He would still be required to log it out of his A&D book, to himsekf, unless he was removing it from the store for bon-a-fide business purposes (e.g. demonstration, marketing, etc....).

 

[45ACPUSER]

Unethical would be a better way to phrase it. And, I know of a chain in the upper midwest that does fire guns under the guise of sighting them in. Selling the gun as a package.....

 

[Bubbles]

And, I know of a chain in the upper midwest that does fire guns under the guise of sighting them in. Selling the gun as a package.

Is he an 07 or an 01? Because if he's an 01 the ATF will pop him for manufacturing without a license. They dinged a dealer in my town for that two years ago.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

You are confusing two very different words with similiar pronounciation:
Libel
1. a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.

Liable
means legally responsible: as in you are liable for the damage caused by your action.
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seriously?

lol