It's not just gun control... Rudy Giuliani is Vehemently Pro Illegal Immigration!

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... so much so that NYC became a "Sanctuary City" during his term in office & he defended this insanity all the way up to the Supreme Court!

Oh, you don't know what a "Sanctuary City" is? Well here you go...

www.ojjpac.org/sanctuary.asp

Despite a federal law that requires local governments to cooperate with Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agency, many large urban cities (and some small) have adopted so-called "sanctuary policies." Generally, sanctuary policies instruct city employees not to notify the federal government of the presence of illegal aliens living in their communities. The policies also end the distinction between legal and illegal immigration -- so illegal aliens often benefit from city services too.

And read about how Giuliani fought aganist federal law to retain & preserve NYC's status as a refuge for lawless interlopers...

www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city’s sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to “terrorize people.” Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa-overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history.

Seriously folks... get this info out far & wide & expose Giuliani for who he really is!
 
"All the frontrunners are"

Yup, that's what I read somewhere else too. Practically every Democrat and too many Republicans (even Gingrich, I hear) favor the open-borders, illegal immigration, amnesty and eventual North American Union approach which is President Bush's current policy.

Only Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter (I only heard of him today) stand for securing our borders and stopping the NAU program.

So if merely another globalist is the GOP candidate in 2008, running against a Donkey Party globalist (Hillary, Obama, or other), then it seems the only way for an American patriot to vote is Constitution Party.
 
That's a slap in the face

So why bother with lawyers and INS?
Over last two years I spent thousands on school for my wife, her student visa, and recently $1500 for a lawyer and $765 for a green card application right after we got married. She has been in the USA legally every single day for last two years. I made sure of that. And it wasn't cheap.

My friend from NYC came here on worker's visa, then his wife and two kids came here legally. He spent $15,000 on his case, and finally, after 4 years he and his familly have green cards. All legally! While working legally, and paying taxes.

And those people want to have an amnesty??? FOR FREE??? Just like that??? What about all those people who waited in lines for years and paid a ton of money?

It's a slap in the face I tell you!
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I heard him on Hannity when Sean asked him if he wanted the "fence"?

His response was "of course, but a virtual fence".

I wonder how Rudy and the rest of the politicians that want a "virtual" (translation; no) fence would feel about a "virtual" front door to their house and their children's rooms and a "virtual" security system at their bank?

Or maybe the groups that pay Rudy $100,000 for a speech could give him virtual checks?
 
Candidates who are for a virtual fence have earned my virtual vote.

If'n they want my actual, material vote, they need to be for an actual, material fence.

I'd sooner chew my arm off than let it pull the lever for for Rudy, McCain, or Hillary.
 
Exactly. We have virtual candidates with vritual platforms in what is becoming a virtual America. Someone needs to inject some reality into this process--while there's still time. Most of us are just spectators, against our will, while the puppetmasters throw up the holographic illusion of "representative government."

"Glock, most assuredly there are, but politics is driven by self-interest. His actions as NYC's mayor are motivated by his wanting to keep the economy from collapsing."

The economy of NYC? You mean the drug trade that keeps the banks afloat and the off-the-books labor that is the hallmark of the new globalist plantation economy that fuels the equities traded by high-priced brokers on the exchanges? Or the people who do the grunt work for the hordes of New York ultra-liberals in media, marketing, and "the arts?"

New York City floats on a sea of moral sludge that is clogging the rest of America.
 
Guess what folks...

The US Chamber of Commerce is vehemently pro-illegal immigration. Ergo, the Republican party will be as well.

Unrestricted flows of people who will do whatever work they can get for whatever employers will pay, who are unable to complain to the authorities when they are abused, and who cannot vote, are a cheap-labor conservative wet dream. If they can't send the jobs to the third world, they'll bring the third world to the jobs.

I forget the name, but an AZ Congressman said it all:

"For the Right, it's cheap labor, for the Left, it's cheap votes."

There's a question that needs to be asked of every politician who wants to be seen as "tough on illegal immigration".

Who mows your lawn?

When one of these candidates publicly advocates a corporate "death penalty" and executive jail time for hiring illegal workers, I'll take them seriously. Until then, they're just trying to talk tough to get votes, while giving a wink and a nod to the big-money donors who have no interest whatsoever in seeing this problem solved.

It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

--Shannon
 
+ 1 tube ee


tube ee wrote:

"For the Right, it's cheap labor, for the Left, it's cheap votes."

I heard that quote, too.


To make it blatently obvious:

For mid-to-large businesses, you get a cheap supply of labor whereby you are able to undercut the price of domestic labor, thereby reducing your production costs.

Nevermind that you are causing pricing pressure to exist on US citizens, and working against the interests of US citizens.

For the left, you can get votes by social programs to the likes which most illegal immigrants have never seen. Never mind that it is once again the average US citizen that is paying for them via taxes. Once again, by funneling tax dollars towards this segment, it is working AGAINST the US citizen.


So there we have it. Both the Republican and Democratic Parties have prostituted themselves out in order to gain a small percentage increase of voter support. I personally feel that my 17 years of voting loyalty has been sold rather cheaply. Neither of the primary political parties are working in the best interests of the US citizen, and both are tripping over each other seeing how fast they can embrace a group that SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE.

Bill O'Reilly has that segment called "Who's watching out for you." I can give a simply answer when it comes to our politicians: NO ONE IS.


All the best!



John
 
Not so much

That the two parties are prostiuting themselves to the same groups. They're not. They're prostituting themselves to two different groups who both benefit from the current system.

For the Dems, it's ethnically-motivated citizens who have family members who are or were illegal immigrants. Remember, illegal immigrants can't vote, but they have freinds and relatives who are citizens, and they can, and do. Also, ethnic identity plays a role here. Somebody offering to help out people who look like you and share your cultural heritage is likely going to get your support.

For the Repubs, it's the businesses, as well as an ideology that simply despises workers. The anti-union ideology is a huge part of this... there is a segment of the Republican establishment that would like nothing better than to turn the socio-economic legal clock back to about 1885. Nothing in the world is more threatening to this viewpoint than workers with the ability to equalize the power relationship between themselves and their employers.

Two different groups being pandered to, for totally opposite reasons, with the same outcome.

Of course, if you don't want to feel like we're all doomed, a look at history will reassure. Within 50 years, every single one of these illegal immigrant families will be fully integrated. Right now, today, 3rd-generation American citizens of Mexican extraction speak Spanish at about the same rate as the general population, which is to say, not at all.

Hysteria aside, if we did nothing, this problem would correct itself in my lifetime. Which isn't to say we shouldn't do anything... but keeping the long-term trends in mind is likely to lead to better solutions. In fact, as the US housing market implodes, you'll see a reduction in immigration numbers, especially in the Southwest. Southern California and Arizona homebuilders and their subcontractors have been employing huge numbers of cheap illegal workers. As they slow down building, there'll be fewer jobs, and a lot of those guys will go back to the farm... where the money they've sent home will go a lot farther than it would have had they kept it here.

I'm opposed to illegal immigration not because I'm afraid for our culture... the whole history of American immigration shows such fears to be nonsense. I'm opposed because an unending supply of cheap, unregulated labor tends to enrich large corporations at the expense of working folks. Look at the meat-packing industry to see the long-term results. I want American workers to be the highest paid workers in the world, with the best benefits, because I think that's best for our nation. Looked at another way, I see 20,000 people making 50K a year as better for America than 1 person making 1 billion dollars, even though the money's the same. FYI, those numbers were picked to make the math easy, but you can see the point.

--Shannon
 
I think we are on the same page in reasoning tube ee.

My point was an issue of simple right and wrong. You have representatives to represent the interest of the people-- and that is a rarity these days.


BTW... if you can tolerate the foul language of the author, I'd like to suggest a book you may enjoy:

The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad. It is very well written and documented with 16 pages of credible bibliography. It gives an interesting perspective of the economic and social trends which are comprised within our nation's more obscure history. I believe I got my copy at Books-a-Million.


All the best!

John
 
Like I said in the other thread, Giuliani will not be running in the General Election, because most of the country doesn't see NYC as a positive model for how they want their government -- or anything else -- to work.

211,000 people per year move away from the NYC Metro area.
 
So Rudy is Mini-Bush on this issue? Don't think I've heard a straight answer on the AWB from him, either. Looks like a slightly-more-liberal Bush clone. With glasses.
 
We did it to ourselves. All those damn:cuss: unions. An you wonder why they hire illegals?
 
Rant on!

All of the people that I know of who have applied for the job of Commander in Chief are small minded, egocentric, morally bankrupt wastes of skin. Is there any person out there who is aspiring for this office who will say what he means and stand by what he says???

It is really sad that the ‘truth in advertising’ laws do not apply to political promises! It tells a lot that these people exempted themselves from these laws!

Lie about laundry detergent, go to jail; lie about how you will use you vote in the Senate or you power in the Oval Office, "Oh well".
 
His actions as NYC's mayor are motivated by his wanting to keep the economy from collapsing

Tejon, as I remember the May Day work boycott really didnt disrupt the economy at all. The illegals play a part in the economy, both good and bad, but their presence isn't preventing a complete collapse.

By using you logic one could say that his draconian gun views were necessary for preventing the city from erupting into large-scale gun violence, but we both know those policies only aggravate the crime situation.

I think his bread is being buttered by people that benefit from illegal immigration, and the same will be so for just about anyone capable of being elected as mayor in NYC.
 
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[breath]

ocking.


I guess his belief in rule of law only applies when he wants to create a police state for AMERICANS (as he did when he "cleaned up" NYC).
 
Talking is over

then it seems the only way for an American patriot to vote is Constitution Party.

No offense, but what is that going to do? Voting doesn't work any more. One good thing though--if the opposing Dem is really pro-immigration, it will help to get him elected and just speed things up and just get this inevitable destruction over with faster.

People have to think outside the box and quit getting caught up in this phony con$ervative attitude that hope is right around the corner, and somehow miraculously everything will work out. There is no way that this immigration situation can be reversed.

At this point in time I have come to the conclusion that American patriotism is totally irrational. That gang in Washington and in the state governments have stabbed us in the back and white Americans are going to be a minority in their own country. Forget about the politicians--look at all the lemmings in this country with their heads up their asses. Look at all these bozos whose major concern is not being called a "racist".

With 20 million 3rd-world mutants in this country already, there's no way in hell to get rid of them, and those traitors in office are going to give them amnesty. McCain and others want to give SSI to illegals even if they used false documents at a job, and he wants to exempt their employers from prosecution even if they knew. That idiot Schwarzenegger wants to give them health benefits, even while CA is facing the real possiblilty of becoming insolvent within a year.

Hard as it is to say it, I have to keep reminding people of the dictum of "worse is better for now".
 
MacP.

"Mutants"?

I could be wrong, but I don't think you're going to be around here for long.

The High Road actually means something to most of us here.
 
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