IWB Stability

Which IWB securement method is more stable, and comfortable?

  • Only a rear fin, a' la Blade Tech UCH

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For folks who carry IWB, I've been trying to decide between holsters. I've thought I had it figured about a half dozen times now. But some of the maker double talk has got me wondering about how an IWB holster actually does its' job.

It seems to me that a key in carrying any heavy handgun comfortably is that said handgun should stay where you put it. There seems to be a plethora of ways in which this is accomplished:

1. Basic metal clip. Sounds wobbly fore and aft, plus a good way to end up drawing the gun AND holser.

2. Basic wide leather loop. With proper snaps, these look like they'd keep the holster in the britches, but still look wobbly.

3. Two narrower loops, but still mounted to the holster body. This seems to be a flavor of rig that everyone makes, but that everyone also talks trash about when selling their more expensive line on the page next door. Also seems like it would make the whole affair a bit thicker than the next options.

4. One loop on holster body, one mounted on a stablize fin that protrudes either front or rear. Seems a bit more stable, but also more leather to try to shoehorn into britches.

5. Two stabilizer fins, one fore, one aft. This one looks pretty stable, but, man that looks like a lot of dead cow to try to fit into my britches with me.

6. One stabilizer fin, aft. Similar to blade tech's UCH. I guess it uses the tension of the belt to keep the holster itself in place. Does this actually work?

7. A whole random assortment of kydex clippy thingies that barely attatch to the belt, but supposedly allow a shirt to be tucked in. Sounds good, but do these things actually work? They sure don't look like it, with no more belt contact than they have.

BTW, whichever one I choose, I'm going to be carrying a Taurus PT1911 in it, i.e., a 5" Government Model.

So, how do all the various methods work? At all? Excellent? Functionally excellent, but uncomfortable? Comfortable but rediculously slow draw?

I tend to carry for long periods at a time, and also tend to sit for long periods at a time. Comfort is a prime factor. I realize that I probably can't expect the same speed that I get from my OWB kydex rig, but I'm spoiled by it, too.

~~~Mat
 
I carry a Glock 22 in a DeSantis Cozy Pardner IWB. The loops are mounted centrally on the holster. I find it to be very stable as belt tightness is more of a factor than the loops, and due to the snaps being located where they are, it's easy to take on and off. It also has the stabilizer fins and is very comfortable.

I bought with with the idea that I may not like it and would take a loss. Turns out it works well for me.
 
I would suggest a Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 for your needs. Slim, comfortable, stable, option for Kydex clips... I've worn one for 14 hours in a car with no discomfort.
 
The Sparks VMII presently heads the list of recommendations. Lots' of people have lots of good things to say about it. I've never heard anyone talk about how the draw is, from one, though. I'm kind of spoiled though, between kydex OWB (my current method of carry for the 1911, but can only be called concealed in the way a cop's duty rig is "concealed," by a raincoat. ya know it's there.) and my Kirkpatrick cowboy leather. Both of which are extremely fast.

~~~Mat
 
I have the Andrews Macdaniel II and am very happy with it. It has a single wide leather loop at the back and a reinforced mouth for easy reholstering. I'd like to try out the VM2, but it's kinda spendy, about twice the Andrews holster.
 
I finally figured what fits my body ...

Had a bunch of IWB's ... finally I got a BearClaw Holster's IWB and it's more concealable / comfortable than my others for me.
http://www.bearclawholsters.com.

I've had some leather IWB's that just seem too fat, which cause pinching especially during the holidays when I'm bulked out from "good living". I'll throw bone to Eric at HBE Holsters as his COM 3 is my favorite leather IWB ... kinda rides a little higher which is nice sometimes as different fitting holsters give you more choices to work with. Versa Max seems to be the most universally loved holster out there, so one of these days I'm going to try one.

Just my .02.
 
I've never heard anyone talk about how the draw is, from one, though.

I do about 90% of my work from one. The draw is going to be noticeably slower than a Kydex OWB. First the leather isn't as fast to draw from to begin with and second, the VMII puts the pistol high and tight against the body which makes it harder to get a solid grip on prior to the draw.

I usually practice with a cover garment, so the times are even slower; but I can do three shots on a 10" triangle in under three seconds from concealment. My time to the first shot from concealment is usually in the 1.7 second area at 10yds or more.
 
1.7 isn't bad at all, from concealment, with the gun tight to one's side. Do you find that an open front garment works better, or closed front, like a sweatshirt, or sweater? Better being either for concealment, or for presentation speed.

~~~Mat
 
I've only tried IWB with a metal clip for small pistols and now my Bladetech Kydex with my M&P40 , it works like a dream .
 
1.7 isn't bad at all, from concealment, with the gun tight to one's side. Do you find that an open front garment works better, or closed front, like a sweatshirt, or sweater? Better being either for concealment, or for presentation speed.

Well, that is also after six years of regular practice too, so it could be better :) I usually wear a polo shirt or a sweater and rip up with the off hand for presentation. That presentation is more difficult and you can have some catastrophic screwups if you don't lift the cover garment high enough.

If you can wear a jacket, the open front is definitely faster in my opinion; but I don't really practice like that because it doesn't work with the clothes I usually wear.
 
Mr. Roberts,
I'm glad to finally hear some concrete times. So many shooters who have never worked with a timer will say "Such and such is fast, so and so is slow," but no real idea how fast is fast, or how slow is slow. I've done lots (and lots) of practice with my cowboy guns, and am pretty used to seeing draw times of around .85 sec. One of the things that got me rethinking my whole ccw strategy was when "just for fun," I tried a timed draw with my P-32 from my pocket. 3.9, and a miss. Then for more fun, started shooting a couple of rotten watermelons for reactive targets. .32: no visible damage, beyond a small hole in. .44 mag: watermelon guts everywhere. .44 spec: watermelon guts everywhere. .357 mag: watermelon guts everywhere. Maybe I need more gun, a better carry method, and a LOT more practice. hence the 1911.

Funny what actually shooting your carry gun can tell you about your choices, sometimes, ain't it?

~~~Mat
 
IWB times etc.

1st off let me applaud Bartholomew Roberts for racing what he carries. My hats off to ya bud. And those times he gave are very respectable. A robber damn well better be on his toes with this guy or he'll get ventilated.

I carry a G34 or 35 in a Kydex Comp tac or Ready Tactical IWB and it's the same thing I shoot IDPA with. My 1st shot time from retention (arms length) averages about 1.08. Best is .95. My concealment times would probably fall in around Bartholomew's maybe slower. I'll have to try it. I carry the same way he does and have started not using the vest because I don't wear the stupid thing in public.

A full size gun carries very well in these type of holsters and are CONCEALED even under a polo or tshirt. Practice your draw dry firing a little every day and work on smooth & relaxed NOT fast because when you achieve SMOOTH you will have FAST.
MW
 
I'm surprised to hear no one has yet mentioned CrossBreed Holsters
www.crossbreed-holsters.com

From all the research that I've done, (and trust me, I have done a LOT) CrossBreeds are one of the most, if not the most comfortable holsters out there. This thread actually reminded me that I needed to order one (just got off the phone).

Mike's holsters are a kydex/leather hybrid, with very wide 'stabilizers', The holster itself is no wider than the gun + a little bit of cowhide. They also have a tuckable option, which is the one I ordered, so you can tuck a shirt over it if necessary.

If comfort and stability are your criterion, check these out. I can't vouch for draw though. I've never drawn from anything but my uncle mike's 5" IWB.
 
I'm surprised to hear no one has yet mentioned CrossBreed Holsters
www.crossbreed-holsters.com

From all the research that I've done, (and trust me, I have done a LOT) CrossBreeds are one of the most, if not the most comfortable holsters out there. This thread actually reminded me that I needed to order one (just got off the phone).

Mike's holsters are a kydex/leather hybrid, with very wide 'stabilizers', The holster itself is no wider than the gun + a little bit of cowhide. They also have a tuckable option, which is the one I ordered, so you can tuck a shirt over it if necessary.

If comfort and stability are your criterion, check these out. I can't vouch for draw though. I've never drawn from anything but my uncle mike's 5" IWB.

I completely agree, and will add that the draw is very slick and retention is good.

BTW, correct URL is http://www.crossbreedholsters.com (no"-")
 
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5. Two stabilizer fins, one fore, one aft. This one looks pretty stable, but, man that looks like a lot of dead cow to try to fit into my britches with me.
May seem like a lot of dead cow, but its two think layers of dead cow and the gun ... thats it.

My EDC is a Kahr MK9 in an HBE DC Special. I've also got a similar rig for my Steyr M40 and S40 ... nothing more comfy and stable.

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