JSP -VS- Plated Flat Point in 357 mag

[fourdollarbill]

In your opinion... Is the .357 plated flat point as good as the older .357 JSP for hunting. The reason I'm asking is because I cannot find JSP's as of now and I seen (THR Member) Longdayjake has some .357 PFP in 158gr for sale and I would like to buy them if they will work. Also have you ever heard of pushing a plated bullet to 357 mag velocities? I'm using them in an 1894CS 357 lever gun so they would be going faster than a revolver.

 

[Marlinreloader]

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[Walkalong]

The 158 Gr SWC from X-Treme is a great shooting bullet. I don't know if it can take velocities high enough for what you want. What velocity are you looking for?

I doubt any of the plated bullets are as good, terminal performance wise, as JSP's or JHP's. Depends on what you want to do with them.

Agh. I see you will be pushing them as fast as possible. I don't recommend it. I have just started playing with the Powerbond bullets to see what they can take.

Buy some jacketed bullets, or go with cast bullets.

 

[ChristopherG]

The Hornady 158 gr. jacketed flat point is hands down the most accurate bullet in my 1894c and an excellent one for its increased velocities. They are usually in stock at midway.com. Otherwise I'd use a gas checked 180 gr cast bullet like that from cast performance (also in stock at midway).

 

[fourdollarbill]

Walkalong, I'm not that fast. I only need 1640 +- for that lever gun to be accurate which is very easy to do. Do you think the plated could handle 1640? I'm reluctant to ask the oem as they make some pretty wild claims and then cough out a disclaimer. Really i'm just shooting the occasional ground hog, or any four legged chicken killers and such, no big stuff like a deer or hogs.

ChristopherG, thanks for the tip on Midway and the jacketed flat point but I think the FMJ will not have any terminal performance on such a small animal. The JSP will at least spread out and make a clean kill. I was hoping since the plating on the mentioned bullets is so thin then the lead could do its job.

If I could mix better lead I would just use my own cast bullets but man can they lead up a barrel over 1200 fps.

I guess the better question would have been. Will a plated flat point go 1640 fps?
Very cool info, Thanks guys.

 

[Walkalong]

Only 1640 + with plated bullets in a revolver?

I am a big fan of plated bullets, and often post that limiting them to lead data is totally unnecassary, but to try to push them this hard should be left to someone who has plenty of of experience and is willing to risk damaging their gun. (And themselves)

If you try this, proceed with extreme caution.

If I could mix better lead I would just use my own cast bullets but man can they lead up a barrel over 1200 fps.

They don't have to if properly sized and of the right hardness.

 

[fourdollarbill]

No 1640 out of a revolver for me any time.

I was asking if a plated bullet could handle 1640 out of an 1894C lever gun like a jacketed bullet can, thats all.

 

[kyle663]

I dont know about jake's plated bullets, but berry's plated bullets are not recomended for magnum velocity's. they say to stick to lead bullet velocity. 1200 fps would be as fast as i would push them. fir a hunting round I'd go with a jsp or hp myself.

 

[Walkalong]

No 1640 out of a revolver for me any time.

I was asking if a plated bullet could handle 1640 out of an 1894C lever gun like a jacketed bullet can, thats all.

Perhaps it can without creating undue pressures. I don't know. Proceed with extreme caution. You will be in uncharted territory.

 

[fourdollarbill]

Thanks guys, the answer is apparently no. That is good enough for me. I was hoping someone has already proven the speed I needed and made me feel warm and fuzzy about pushing these PFP bullets.

 

[Remo-99]

Is the .357 plated flat point as good as the older .357 JSP for hunting.

In my opinion no, but then again I've always prefered a jacketed soft hollow soft point over a plain JSP in a handgun round. Even when fired from a rifle/carbine, at pistol velocities, and the ground between the velocities that of hi power rifles achieve, bullet expansion is your key to stopping power.
Sure plated bullets may have a soft lead core, but in my experience i've never seen any expand and addiquitley stop an animimal in it's tracks, punches through and though like stabbing it with a knitting needle.
Just depends on the the game, I guess.

 

[Walkalong]

I was hoping someone has already proven the speed I needed

I do have five 125 Gr Powerbond plated bullets loaded with AA #9 and a heavy taper crimp that will be tested soon.

I have pushed them to over 1300 FPS from a revolver so far.

I can't suggest anyone else try it though. People who like to swim in uncharted waters need to make that decision on their own.

 

[RidgwayCO]

IMHO you would be well served by the Hornady 158gr HP/XTP bullet. They're listed as in stock here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=620822

If you want a little more weight, then these low-stock Speer 170gr JSP bullets would also work well:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000214230

 

[ChristopherG]

Fourdollar,

The Hornady jacketed flat point is not a full metal jacket. It is an expanding bullet like a soft point only better engineered. Load it over 18 grains of Lil gun and it will go 2000 fps from a Marlin, which is more than enough velocity to cause it to expand very dynamically.

As for the cast bullet option, you would want one with a gas check--i.e., a thin copper cup over the hind end of the bullet to prevent leading. I've shot them at over 1600 fps in my Marlin with no leading. They (unlike the Hornady) are not intended to expand, but create a deep crushing wound channel with a flat nose.

At the velocities of a .357 carbine, the soft lead of a plated bullet--or a poorly constructed jacketed bullet--is likely to come right apart, failing to penetrate adequately.

 

[longdayjake]

The plated bullets I sell will be able to take those velocities just fine. They can do anything a jacketed bullet can do and in many cases they can do it better.