just put 200 down on a M-1garand tanker model:)
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Ok i found that the action was made in WWII and also the receiver was NOT cut, the bayonet lug and front sights seem to MATCH exactly to original tanker model prototypes, even the 1/2inch extra piece of metal welded to the end. this rifle has only seen one owner and that was the rifle the owner used in WWII so either the owner did a chop job or brought it home like that. Unfortunately the original owner had passed away and thats how it found itself in a pawn shop. so i need more proof its not original, so far i cant disproove it.
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Sonier,
Are you saying the receiver was cut and welded back together?
If that is what you are saying, I have bad news. There were manufacturers in the 1960's who would take "demilled" M-1 Garands that had been destroyed by cutting the receivers apart and then weld the receivers back together. They would then sell these rifles as "regular" Garands or often shorten them to create "tanker" Garands.
A rewelded M-1 Garand receiver may or may not be safe. They definitely are not as valuable as a non-rewelded receiver.
There was no reason for the military to cut apart and reweld a receiver to make a Tanker Garand. The only reason they cut apart receivers was to destroy them. Those scrap pieces were what the later vendors bought and then welded back together.
So, if your rifle has had the receiver cut and rewelded, and is now a "Tanker" model, I can absolutely, positively, guarantee, it is NOT a "government made" Tanker Garand.
Your rifle was made by rewelding up scrap M-1 receivers and converted to tanker configuration by a commercial company in the 1960's or 1970's.
You ask for proof that it's not original. We've told you that as far as anyone knows, no original "Tanker" Garands exist outside of a handful in museums.
We've given you details on why and how companies made up "tanker" Garands to sell to the public.
You say you "know" the rifle only had one owner, and he used it in WWII. That's a pretty large claim, especially for a pawn shop "tanker" Garand. What proof do you have of that?
I hate to tell you this, but you were told what you wanted to hear, and you paid WAAAY too much for that rifle.
Are you saying the receiver was cut and welded back together?
If that is what you are saying, I have bad news. There were manufacturers in the 1960's who would take "demilled" M-1 Garands that had been destroyed by cutting the receivers apart and then weld the receivers back together. They would then sell these rifles as "regular" Garands or often shorten them to create "tanker" Garands.
A rewelded M-1 Garand receiver may or may not be safe. They definitely are not as valuable as a non-rewelded receiver.
There was no reason for the military to cut apart and reweld a receiver to make a Tanker Garand. The only reason they cut apart receivers was to destroy them. Those scrap pieces were what the later vendors bought and then welded back together.
So, if your rifle has had the receiver cut and rewelded, and is now a "Tanker" model, I can absolutely, positively, guarantee, it is NOT a "government made" Tanker Garand.
Your rifle was made by rewelding up scrap M-1 receivers and converted to tanker configuration by a commercial company in the 1960's or 1970's.
You ask for proof that it's not original. We've told you that as far as anyone knows, no original "Tanker" Garands exist outside of a handful in museums.
We've given you details on why and how companies made up "tanker" Garands to sell to the public.
You say you "know" the rifle only had one owner, and he used it in WWII. That's a pretty large claim, especially for a pawn shop "tanker" Garand. What proof do you have of that?
I hate to tell you this, but you were told what you wanted to hear, and you paid WAAAY too much for that rifle.
Here's some more info for you to read on "Tanker" Garands. Follow the links.
What's A Tanker Garand by Scott Duff
Info on rewelded receivers at Fulton Armory
What's A Tanker Garand by Scott Duff
Info on rewelded receivers at Fulton Armory
Its a commercial hack job if receiver has been welded.
Even if it isnt welded its still a commercial made Tanker, you just dont want to accept it. You dont have a valuable original Tanker
Even if it isnt welded its still a commercial made Tanker, you just dont want to accept it. You dont have a valuable original Tanker
No you don't. You just need to read and listen.
We're sorry for having burst your bubble.
You paid too much for something that may not be safe to fire.
If you'll post pics of the receiver, we can tell you more.
If you have offers for more than you paid, I would sell.
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Sorta separate from the theme of the thread:
The safety of a weld-up Garand is a function of the quality of the work; it's not inherent in the welding. Remember, the main loading from a safety standpoint is on the bolt's lugs. Shock loading on the rear of the receiver is from the operating rod's impact.
Should the weld crack and the bolt not fully close for whatever reason, SFAIK the trigger won't release the hammer to strike. If the bolt does go all the way into battery, I don't see how the result would be more than the horror of lost $$$ of, "Wow! Look at this! Danged thing broke!"
I happen to have a weld-up. Extremely well done welding and finiishing. The weld is not visible. Lotta match parts; nice, tight groups.
As near as I can recall from articles published back decades ago, the only "tanker" Garands were post-WW II, made in Italy.
The safety of a weld-up Garand is a function of the quality of the work; it's not inherent in the welding. Remember, the main loading from a safety standpoint is on the bolt's lugs. Shock loading on the rear of the receiver is from the operating rod's impact.
Should the weld crack and the bolt not fully close for whatever reason, SFAIK the trigger won't release the hammer to strike. If the bolt does go all the way into battery, I don't see how the result would be more than the horror of lost $$$ of, "Wow! Look at this! Danged thing broke!"
I happen to have a weld-up. Extremely well done welding and finiishing. The weld is not visible. Lotta match parts; nice, tight groups.
As near as I can recall from articles published back decades ago, the only "tanker" Garands were post-WW II, made in Italy.
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i was in the same boat, thought i found something rare, thing is i liked it and it shot flawless, put 2-3 hundred rounds (reloads) out it and everything went well, i also looked for the weld spots and didn't find any, but like posted already i was offered way more then i paid so i sold it, i run into this guy at the gun shows and he still talks to me so im guessing he is happy with it.
sorry guys i had a tpo THE RECEIVER WAS NOT CUT im sorry about the typo i shouldnt post anything when i first wake up lol
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We would love to see your new rifle when you get some pictures.
I hope your rifle runs trouble-free.
I hope your rifle runs trouble-free.
I don't have a copy of the Garand coffee table book, but I seem to remember that some ordnance shops (particularity in the Pacific theater) would make up shorty Garands.
It's at least possible that the modifications were done overseas and it was actually brought back that way.
Although it's much more likely that somebody had it cut down post WWII and it's pretty much worth what the unmodified parts would bring.
BSW
It's at least possible that the modifications were done overseas and it was actually brought back that way.
Although it's much more likely that somebody had it cut down post WWII and it's pretty much worth what the unmodified parts would bring.
BSW
You realize there is really no such thing as a tanker don't you? There is no proof what-so-ever the model ever existed other than prototypes and even that is debated. What you are buying is a hacked M1 that may or may not work or be of the quality you expect for your money.
My advice, buy a real Garand from the CMP.
My advice, buy a real Garand from the CMP.
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