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So in shopping for a Mauser K98 k, what should I look out for to avoid buying a lemon? Leaving the historical/collector value aside, speaking of the mechanical integrity of the rifle, are there any known troubles inherent to the model that these old rifles may exhibit that I should look out for?

Short of taking one to a gunsmith, lets suppose I am at a gunshow looking over a few .... what is a quick yet comprehensive checklist I can go down to avoid pitfalls and getting one that will not require mayor smithwork in the near future?
 
Other than the general appearance of the rifle, you want see if parts like the bolt and receiver have matching serial numbers, is the rifling worn out, any pitting caused by rust. You would ideally want to check the headspace but you will probably have to buy it first unless you already have a field gauge for that caliber.
 
I take it that these old rifles may have been fired with older corrosive type ammo. If that's the case should a certain degree of pitting in the bore be expected or should any pitting be deemed negligence and undue damage to the barrel?
 
From your reference to k98k, I take it you are looking at the German war 2 version as opposed to the 98 action models of other countries.

They were all fired with corrosive ammo if they had been fired outside of the factory. You can find them with varying degrees of fine pitting in the barrels. Some will look like new as opposed to others that show the effects of corrosive ammo the length of the bore, although for me, that has not been a deal breaker, depending on the rest of the rifle. Most with minor corrosive pitting will still give acceptable accuracy for fun shooting.

This applies to any rifle I look at.
I carry a 90% Garand chamber mirror to get a good look at the throat which shows the wear the best. German 98s had a long tapered leade into the rifling, so keep that in mind when looking.
Also get a good look at the muzzle to look for uneven wear from cleaning rods used incorrectly.

You should check the mechanical operation of the three way safety. It should work correctly with a minimum of effort and the bolt operation should be smooth with no binding. Take along a snap cap if the seller will let you try it. The trigger is two stage.

Original matching rifles are not seen nearly as often as either the mismatch bringbacks or the RC imports and the price reflects that. Watch out for renumbered fakes though. You'll want to study up before shopping for original guns.

As far as the matching bolts go, I can only speak from my own experience.
With nothing better to do one afternoon, I took out a pile of all matching 98ks from 1934-1945 and deliberately mismatched all the bolts.
Fired German G.I. equivalent non corrosive 198 FMJ reloads in all the rifles and then started re-chambering the empties in the other rifles. After spending an hour on this I got bored with the experiment, as I did not find a combo that would not accept the fired brass from one rifle to the next. Some re-chambered with a bit more effort than others, but none required any real force or pounding.
I am sure that working at top 98 pressures would have changed the outcome but that was not my goal or desire with these military rifles. It did take care of any questions I had on the matter though.

My .02, JT
 
Pre-war German engineering and craftsmanship. In 40 years of playing with military 98s I have not encountered one yet that failed to go bang. Yes, the bores may be a bit cruddy from corrosive ammo, but they still seem to shoot as well as one would expect form a battle rifle.

If it looks good, and the bolt opens and closes as it should, I would not be concerned.
 
I have a 1941 German DUV K98 with an ugly bore, and the more I shoot it the better it gets. I will shoot five or ten and clean it when its warm.
I still get some dark crud every time, and I only shoot handloads (no surplus or factory).
originally it was shooting 5"-10" groups @ 100 from the bench, now I'm getting about 3"-4" @ 100 from the bench (that was 500 rounds ago)open sights.
Mausers are great fun !!
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What about Belgian FN Mausers that were rechambered (by armories) to 7.62x51?? I have been offered one(no specifics, still have to go see it)... I am sure quality varies depending who actually did the work but overall what can be said about these? During what period did FN make Mauser type rifles? I have read that most of the 7.62 conversions were made during the sixties in the respective countries where they were issued mostly.
 
I am sure quality varies depending who actually did the work

That's about the sum of it right there. It depends on who did the work. Some arsenals did great jobs, some were pretty shady at best. Same with the .30-06 conversion rifles. I would definitely check the headspace on that one before you shoot it. Also make sure it's a large ring 98 and not one of the earlier Model 93 or 95 small rings. A lot of those were rechambered to 7.62x51 by the Spanish and Chileans. They should be okay for mild loads, somewhere around the starting loads listed for .308 in most manuals. It is very unwise to push them beyond that, they lack the gas handling and strength of the 98 action, and they were NOT designed originally for a 60ksi cartridge.

During what period did FN make Mauser type rifles?

For a long, long time. They started off making some of the original small rings, and built contract rifles for different militaries all the way up until well after WWII. They built commercial mausers even longer than that (and very high quality ones at that). Every original FN rifle I've ever picked up was top notch, just like the German made Oberndorf and DWM rifles, and the Austrian made Steyrs. Again, be wary of rearsenaled rifles. A lot of South American countries took FN Mausers in 7x57 and 7.65x53 and bored them out or rebarreled them to .308 or .30-06. Some are nice, some are horrible.

Mausers are a lottery. Some are real pretty to look at but only lukewarm shooters. Some are kinda beat up, but will pile bullets into little bitty groups all day long, still others look like they were used for railroad ties in the Brazilian rainforest for a few decades, and they usually shoot like that too. You never know. Check the bore, check the headspace. If both are good, and it was made in Europe, it's probably going to be an outstanding shooter. If it was rearsenaled anywhere, all bets are off, but it very well could still be an excellent shooter. You just have to try it and find out, that's part of the fun!
 
I've got an old bubba job sporterized mauser, shot a bunch of corrosive ammo and forgot to clean it, went from a beautiful bore to a pitted frosty looking bore for the entire length... boy was I sad and angry at myself. I thought a bore like that had to be ruined and absolutely worthless... Took it out and shot it some more, I can't tell any difference, it's still better than I'll ever be able to group with iron sights...

Sad and angry as I was, that was the whole reason I got this gun, someone had done a bad job sporterizing it, it was ugly as sin and I only paid a hundred bucks for it (from an on duty cop, out of the trunk of his car I might add). Anyhow, I bought it for a "truck gun" and a beat around "farm gun" so I wouldn't be too upset if it got damaged.

I am not very knowledgable about original mausers though, I've only owned sporters... Just putting in my 2 cents that if you're looking for a "shooter" don't be too put off by an ugly bore.
 
Well I have been reading all I can and the more I inform myself the more unknowing I feel :uhoh:

Seems like you really need to be on top of your game when buying one of these... they come from too many places and have been through too many hands. Maybe it would be wiser to just pay some more for a modern sporting rifle with a Mauser-like action although it just won't be the same , or wait until I get a graduate degree in Mauser science to make sure I am not throwing money down the drain.
 
Well I have been reading all I can and the more I inform myself the more unknowing I feel :uhoh:

Seems like you really need to be on top of your game when buying one of these... they come from too many places and have been through too many hands. Maybe it would be wiser to just pay some more for a modern sporting rifle with a Mauser-like action although it just won't be the same , or wait until I get a graduate degree in Mauser science to make sure I am not throwing money down the drain.
Welcome to the world of collecting
the Mauser is one of the MOST collected rifles
you have everything from FACTORY pimpshined (collector term) and FAKE STAMPED
Mitchels Mausers (most collectors wouldn't take if you PAID THEM...)

To your average Bubba pawn shop cutdown job to 5k pristine 1945 DOU...

Yeah, just to shoot, cheap, get a Yugo, or a Turk or a Spanish, they all work fine...
 
Well I have been reading all I can and the more I inform myself the more unknowing I feel :uhoh:

Seems like you really need to be on top of your game when buying one of these... they come from too many places and have been through too many hands. Maybe it would be wiser to just pay some more for a modern sporting rifle with a Mauser-like action although it just won't be the same , or wait until I get a graduate degree in Mauser science to make sure I am not throwing money down the drain.


One of the first rifles I ever bought was a sporterized Mauser. I got lucky, and ended up going with a Swede. It's still one of the most accurate rifles I own. I now own three of those (all Carl Gustaf made), and they're all accurate. If you're set on a mauser of any type, and want a pretty much guaranteed accurate shooter in nice condition, get a Swede and learn to reload for it. You will not be disappointed.

The 7x57 Mausers are more hit and miss, mostly due to the extremely varied service condition of them. I own one Chilean 95 (Ludwig Lowe) that's nicely sporterized that will come durn close to MOA with the right loads. It has one of those frosty bores that you would think would shoot much worse than it does. No real significant pits though, that's what you have to watch for. I have another Chilean (German DWM) that's not such a good sporter job that pushes 2-3" groups most of the time. The Chilean 95 has one of the best bolt movements out there though. It uses a guide rib in the left side of the receiver with a solid side wall. Later on they went to the guide rib on top of the bolt because it was cheaper to produce, but it introduced a lot of slop into the action. My military original Brazilian 1908 (German DWM 98 Action) also shoots about 2.5MOA groups, although a lot of that is me not being able to master the V-notch sights on it. I'm still working on that one. My 1909 Peruvian (Oberndorf intermediate 98 action) has one of the smoothest actions that I've ever felt on a bolt rifle. I won't comment on the accuracy though, because it's a rebarreled sporter, so it's really not relevant.

Anything made by Husqvarna will be a real shooter. They made a lot of Mausers based on both the 96 small ring and 98 large ring action. I've got a Husky .270 built off of a FN commercial 98 action. Even with some pitting in the bore (ignorant previous owner), it still shoots MOA three shot groups. The actions on them are some of the smoothest you'll ever find. My .270 feels like the bolt is on roller bearings. If you find one with the solid side wall receiver, it makes the bolt travel even a bit smoother. The commercial rifles built by FN are also mostly in this category, as are the Interarms Mark X rifles (although the fit and finish isn't nearly as good as the Husky).

My brother has a BRNO Mauser 98, 1942 production I believe, that was a RC and then sold to the Israelis and converted to 7.62x51. That rifle will shoot an honest 1-1.5MOA with peep sights. The action on it isn't nearly as slick as the pre-war guns, but it is an example of a good conversion rifle.

I've always shied away from the Spanish and Turkish Mausers. Both had a very long and very rough service life, and most were either built outside of Germany, or heavily rearsenaled outside of Germany. Ditto on the South American home built jobs, like the Brazilian Ijatuba guns. The fit and finish and metallurgy are just not up to the standards of the European guns. Same thing for most of the heavily rearsenaled guns. Most were built in the same kind of sweat shops that manufacture your Levi's.

If I had to put in order all the Mausers that I've owned shot or handled, it would be as follows:

1. Husqvarna Commercial
2. FN Commercial (or Smith & Wesson rebadged guns)
3. Swedish Military 94/96/38
4. Pre-WWI German, Belgian, or Austrian Manufactured Mauser 98 (Brazilian 1908, Argentine 1909, Peruvian 1909, Chilean 1912, Gewehr 98, etc.)
5. Pre-WWI German or Belgian built Model 95 Mauser (Argentine 91, Chilean 95, etc. Some of the Spanish 93s in NICE conditions fall into this category)
6. Interwar Mauser 98s made in Germany, Czechoslovakia, Austria, or Belgium (Czech VZ24s, Brazilian 1935, Peruvian 1935, Venezuelan 24/30, Pre-War German 98, etc)
7. Pre-'44 Wartime Manufacture German K98 and WWI Manufacture Gewehr 98
8. '44-'45 Manufacture German K98 and most indigenously produced/rearsenaled K98s.


Bore condition, headspace, and action smoothness are the three tell-tale signs of how well a Mauser has been treated. External condition has some bearing as well, but I've seen a lot that were in rough shape and still shot extremely well. When examining conversion guns, take a close look at the care with which the rearsenal stampings were done. If the marks are sloppy, chances are, so is the work inside.

If you want a truck gun, any of the 7.62x51 or .30-06 conversions should do, as long as they are in sound condition.

If you want an accurate military rifle, the Swedish rules King. I've tried many substitutes, but found no replacement. The 6.5x55 is also a delight to shoot and reload for, and an excellent killing round.

If you want a well-made classic sporter, the options are pretty much endless. Thousands of military rifles were rebuilt into sporters after both World Wars, here and in Europe. Some are bubba jobs, but most of the older stuff is real quality. Some wear their original barrels, either in the original caliber or a rechambered cartridge, while many others have been rebarreled to every caliber under the sun. When examining these rifles, it's all about condition, and how well the work was done. Again, a good smith almost always takes as much care with the slickness of the action, the shape of the bolt handle, and the finish of the bluing and stock, as he does on the fitting and chambering of the barrel. If it looks like garbage, it usually is.

The only thing is to get out there is get out and beat the bushes. Start picking them up and handling them in gunstores and at gunshows. If you can find a friend that has some in different calibers, shoot them and see what you think. Continue to read about them all that you can. It's a huge, but very rewarding collecting realm. You can be certain that you'll never have them all, nor will you ever feel like you own enough. You will also rest assured knowing that you own a rifle made with quality and worksmanship that costs thousands to replicate today, and history that can't be bought at any price

-cal30sniper
 
You can find some dandy 7mm mausers, some of the FINEST custom guns (and least refined) are built on 93, 94, 95,96,98 (cause I haven't found a 97 mauser....) action and variants there of (such as the Belgium (intermediate length 98 based) 1924 action, and the Czech 1922 and 1924 actions....

in general, tight action, good barrel and she should shoot fine.
I prefer 6.5 or 7 over 8 personally...
 
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