Khukuri Input

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Anthony

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Hello Everyone,

Just bought my first pair of Khukuries from Himalayan Imports. An 18" WWII and an 18" Ang Kohl.

Any tips on sharpening this curved blade?

Any specific stones or other equipment that will help make the job easier and provide a shaving sharp edge?

Thanks for the input.

- Anthony
 
They are supposed to be made of 5160 so sharpening is no problem. Most of my sharpening is done with a Eze-Lap diamond sharpener. When you use your kukri you will love it . It's a very efficient brush cutter and with the models you have capable of cutting some heavy stuff. I,ve had mine for many years , will never part with it.
 
It's actually 5160-M.

The "M" is for "Mercedes". As in "Benz" :). They have a standing order at half the junk yards in India for the springs out of crashed Mercedes trucks :D.

When they can't get that, they say Volvos are almost as good.

:evil:

(And yes, funny as this sounds, I'm serious. They REALLY do this. Surprisingly, they use both leaf and coil springs...seems to be exactly the same metal either way.)
 
You might want to be extra careful with these curved blade heavy weights. They seem to swing a bit different than most other straight blade knives of the same weight class. I think it's a decreasing arc -- it seems to tighten up at the end of a draw stroke. I have used a Parang (filipino knife) -- it's shaped like a kukri but lighter and much faster. Just an opinion!
Mike
 
Hey, Anthony.

A HI WWII 16.5" kuk is my favorite combat blade. Spyderco makes an excellent rig that will work well on this blade, as well as any other.

John
 
I just use an Ez lap diamond hone on my CS mini gurkha light kukri. The spyderco makes the edge all wonky because the curve makes the blade face the sharpener at different andles of attack.
 
the "M" in 5160M denotes "modified chemistry" - they add extra silicon to the steel, which improves long term sag resistance for the springs. Since it's most commonly used on automotive spring products, the "Mercedes" note prolly isn't too far off, though.:D
 
No offense, but it's not a real kukri anyway and you don't know how the Ghurka Rifles(mercs in the service of the Crown) use them anyway. Their idea of taking out a sentry is to remove the head or splitting the head, top to bottom with one stroke. You can't scream with no head. None of this silliness of cutting the throat from behind or sticking a knife into his back ala Hollywood. Have the steel tested for hardness before you even worry about it.
 
Sunray: have you ever SEEN a Himalayan Imports Khukuri? I can assure you, and a whole pile of collectors in Asian blades agree, the HI Khuks are as real as they come. While the steel is slightly different from traditional types, the construction, quality (top rate) and even religious traditions are 100% spot on.

The Cold Steels are fake. Is that what you're thinking of?

tex_n_cal: I was joking about the term "5160M" but not about their sources of steel. They freely admit they're using the finest truck springs they can score, Mercedes or in a pinch, Volvo :).
 
sunray: MY kukri is a Cold steel, primarily because I don't need an 18 inch monster like the himalayan imports kukris are, and I got it for fifty bucks, just for clarification.


I have no idea what the rest of your post is in response to.
 
Sunray, you might want to check things out a bit more deeply before bad-mouthing a good company or a member of this forum.

I don't believe Anthony (or Andrew) claimed to know how the Ghurkas do sentry removal, but I don't quite see how you justify your assumption that he doesn't know anything. Frankly, you were the first person in the thread to mention anything about throat-slitting or head-splitting.

As for "real" khukris, I'm not sure I understand the criteria. They're made by Nepalese Kamis using mostly the same techniques used by the Nepalese Kamis who came before them. The quality is vetted and approved by Kami Sherpa, who, although not an actual kami himself, was a Ghurka rifleman in the Assam Rifles with the Indian army. Get a grip, please, and let's not slander anyone. If you have a problem with Himalayan Imports, please tell us why.

If you haven't seen it, HI's website is a good read: http://www.himalayan-imports.com
 
On the topic of 5160 (or 5160-M,) it's a good steel for what they use it to do. Big blades benefit from its mixture of hardness and shock resistance, plus it responds well to "primitive" heat-and-beat techniques and simple, repetitious heat treatment. Tim Lively, who makes one hell of a good blade without electricity, grinders or the like, learned a few interesting techniques from the kamis in HI's video about the making of their kukris. Probably the most valuable was a way of hot-cutting steel with a stream of water from a tea kettle rather than hot-chiseling all the way through, which leaves a sharp, jagged edge which must then be filed off. The water technique is easier to do without a helper and leaves a much more workable product. Probably a lot of smiths in the U.S. knew that already (maybe some in this forum) but I didn't, and neither did Tim.

My reasoning is that if a man who's been forging very tough, well-planned, large woods knives can learn new techniques from them, then the kamis must be pretty good smiths.
 
Yep, the HI kukris are absolutely wonderful. Lots of good information on their website. If I 'had' to carry a kukri, I'd have one of these on me instead of a Cold Steel kukri any day...and I like the CS products.

Besides, I kind of like the idea of sending money to support the Nepalese craftsmen who make these.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
I lost me ninja boots so I can't lop the heads of sentries anymore. I will say that my HI British pattern is at three trees and counting, what a great tool. Didya know that your neighbors keep a distance if they see you taking down trees with a khuk and limbing them out with a katana? :D
 
Himalayan Imports has the official kami for the Royal Nepalese Family on staff. Don't see how you can get any more "real" than that.

I own 4 HI kuks. A 16.5" WWII (my favorite), a 17.5" M43, an 18" Chitlangi that I carry on some field exercises in lieu of a machete, and an enormous 22" GRS. I don't know how many HI kuks I've given to friends, but it's been at least twice as many as I own. Not all of them felt "right" to me (the Sirupatis are too...something...for my taste), but they were ALL obviously well done pieces.

Here's the Chitlangi (I wrapped all the shiny parts with black grip tape to subdue them).

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Bruz, the quick and dirty version goes like this:

1. Heat the billet and hot chisel a line where you intend to split it, about halfway through the stock. A bit more is better than a bit less. Normally you'd just hot-cut through the whole thing, but that leaves the sharp edge that will cause cold shuts if you leave it on there, so it requires laborious filing if you're unplugged. With a grinder it's faster and easier, but still not as high on the "Neat" scale as the water technique.

2. Keep the steel hot or, more likely, reheat it. Place it in the vise with the cut line just above the jaws and bend it along the cut line. I believe the advice is to bend it toward the side you chiseled, but I'm not sure that's necessary. It does seem to make the cut more symmetrical along the edge.

3. Get the steel good and hot, and pour lukewarm or cold water along the "outside" of the cut (if the bent piece of steel is considered a V shape, you would want the point of the "V" to be up and would pour the water along the edge. Honestly, though I haven't had a problem, I think cracking is a concern when using water to quench something like 5160. I like to hold the steel so the point of the V is on the side so I can pour the water so that it only touches that outermost edge of the bend. The kamis use teapots, and they seem to be the best way to get a controlled stream of water that's high enough volume to cool the steel rapidly.

4. You can twist the two pieces apart, but they'll actually crack cleanly right down the channel you hot-cut most of the time. It's a nice clean cut and requires very little filing or cleanup before going right back to the forge.


If this was unclear, I'm not terribly surprised, but HI does sell a video on their website that shows the process. It's not really a tutorial on how to do it, but it's one of those things. You see it once and think "That's so simple! Why did I do it any other way?"
 
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