My 11 now 12 year old son shot the deer on the left last year on his first deer hunt. It weighed 260lbs on the hoof, field dressed at 200lbs. I grounded him for the next 5 years for out doing his Dad I have never even seen a 260lb deer, and he shoots this on his very first hunt. He used a Howa 1500 in a 243, 80gr. Win. Power Point. The one on the right is my first Buck shot in 06, if field dressed at a mere 112lbs.