LEO weapons to stay banned due to excise tax!

[Mr. Kook]

Even if the postban configuration stuff isn't available right away, I'd bet you could configure your gun just about any way you wanted with the right parts.

Honestly, if i were to buy a gun this year I'd get one before or just after the sunset in pre-sunset configuration and then add on all the baubles I wanted, the telescoping stock, flash suppressor/muzzle brake, etc. might even save me some money too.

Even if the manufacturers are a little slow on the uptake it's not like we can't take care of ourselves.

 

[jimpeel]

HERE is what they did to prevent abuse of the Pittman-Robertson funds.

H.R. 3671 improves the management of Pittman-Robertson and Dingell-Johnson funds because it:

• Eliminates the $1 million "Director's Conservation" slush fund.
• Eliminates three other unauthorized grant funds.
• Eliminates the use of conservation trust funds to pay for general overhead for the Fish and Wildlife Service - an estimated $2 to $3 million annual savings for the Acts' state programs.
• Eliminates excessive foreign and domestic travel.
• Sets fixed amount of "administration" funds and phases them down over three years. This cuts bureaucracy by one-third over three years - from 148 positions to 100 positions.
• Tightens authorization of what "administrative" money can be spent on.
• Creates rigid auditing and reporting requirements.
• Authorizes a multi-state grant program for conservation projects benefiting a majority of the states.
• Creates an enhanced hunter safety and education program using savings.
• Creates an assistant director who will be responsible for the conservation trust funds.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

what a bunch of negative people that are in the gun business. (Not all....just a lot of em) I mean to tell you, that the first thing out of the majority of their mouths is all the reasons why you won't be able to buy the current LEO rifles on Sept 14.

You think maybe the artificially inflated prices of their current stock has something to do with it?


"No, no, you won't be able to buy the exact same rifle much cheaper in just a few months. Buy this one now. Yeah. That's the ticket."

 

[Wildalaska]

Colt seems to have a way of totally missing the boat in terms of marketing their products.

Yeah thats why I cant keep a Colt 1911 in stock, and thats why they sell every one they can turn out (with a waiting list) without gun rag whores or advertisements...

Wildandtrytogetanar15rightnowAlaska

 

[dustind]

the worst anyone can do is demand the back taxes from him and possibly penalize him in some minor fashion, right? I'm not a criminal, because the private sale of that diesel from one individual to another is not subject to that tax. It shouldn't matter whether taxes that are not my responsibility were collected before I came on the scene.

I have heard that the penalty is pretty steep. They use a special dye in off road desiel FYI.

As far as only being able to demand the back taxes. I do not think it ever works like that. If it did we could saftley own machine guns and short barrelled toys with only a one time $200 tax to worry about if caught.

 

[BigG]

Gee - that means all those old military 1911A1s and such are illegal to own too - United States Property!

 

[BigG]

Colt seems to have a way of totally missing the boat in terms of marketing their products.

Gee. Thanks for telling me. They pretty much got my needs sewn up. AR15s and 45 Automatics. Life is good!

 

[tcsd1236]

they were exempt from the 11% excise tax. Therefore, I was told that these stamped rifles will still be bound by the rules and red tape that they were manufactured under, and will remain transferable only to Law Enforcement individuals even after the Law's Sunset.

Law enforcement tax exempt agency-purchased handguns that were bought by those agencies are routinely later sold by the agencies on the open market. Don't know why the tax status of the weapon when it was new matters for resale. Since all law enforcement equipment was purchased tax exempt, using that theory, none of it is resaleable.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Yeah thats why I cant keep a Colt 1911 in stock, and thats why they sell every one they can turn out (with a waiting list) without gun rag whores or advertisements

Wild, I agree there are tons of die-hard Colt fans out there, I am one of them, and I will continue to buy Colt products.

What I mean, though, is that Colt has missed many opportunities to market products and has let the competition take away a lot of their business. I think it has consistently been a poorly run company from a management standpoint. Their products themselves are top notch, and will always have a market. The fact that you as a retailer can't keep Colt products in stock is a sign of a poorly run busines... Every time someone comes in looking for a Colt, can't find one, and buys a Springfield or, God forbid, a Kimber, that's money Colt could have made but didn't.


I think there is going to be a big demand for post-post ban rifles if the AWB expires, but this demand isn't going to be infinite. There are not that many people out there who want to buy AR style rifles compared to other things. If Bushmaster gets their product to market first, then all Colt is going to get is the leftovers.

 

[VaniB.]

Padon me guys, while I get off the topic a moment, and report about what I learned from my brief phone call to the local BATF office. (concerning the status of stamped LEO rifles after the ban):

The gentleman on the phone told me that the agents were discussing the topic amongst themselves, and are not certain at this time what will be ruled. He advised that I should call back about a week or so before the sunset, when a ruling will have been established. It was in his opinion however, that the stamped LEO rifles will be legal for civilians to own. He reasoned that the only purpose for the weapons having been stamped to begin with, was that they had the collapsable stock, bayonette lug, and flash suppressor which the AWB forbid. He said if these features become legal for civilians to own upon the sunset, then the LEO rifles will thus be legal for us to own.

Of course, just because this makes sence to us, doesn't mean that his superiors will rule accordingly. Perhaps they will find some other gray area or interpretation for keeping the LEO weapons as forbidden. That cock and bull story that a distributor told me concerning excise tax for example, was a really imaginative angle and basis for not being able to own the weapons. I would have never thought up that tale myself. I wouldn't doubt if left to the BATF, they might think up the same thing or a similiar creative excuse. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Thank you for your time. You may now get back on the topic of Pochahontas, and the pink bus.


Friday PM (edited): Man, am I going nuts? What happened to all the silly postings on this thread about Pochahontas and pink busses some of you guys posted as you got off topic?? They're gone! It couldn't have been another thread that I was on, because I was reading all the silly posts and then clicked on the bottom of this same thread to add this reply