Liability from selling range pick-up brass?

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I have several pounds of range brass that I have picked up over the last several years. I have separated, inspected and eliminated those with gross defects, but, I could have missed some.

If I sell them, is there any liability for the use/misuse of the brass? (Realizing there is always a hungry attorney just looking for a case.) Otherwise, I will take them to the recycler, and unless I make sure they are non-shootable, they will probably separate and resell the good stuff.
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No, there is no liability.
People sell brass all over the internet all the time.

Just sort it and sell it 'As Is'.

rc
 
Too many difficulties in proving such a case, and if you don't have deep pockets the lawyers will not be interested. You get exposed to more liability driving to and from work everyday.
 
Never underestimate the ability for someone or their attorney to find someone else to blame for their own stupidity.

There is always the chance to be sued for criminal or civil liability for anything these days.

Small chance on reselling the range brass, but do remember your dealing with a firearm related item, and in this case a reloading component where the safety margin will be determined by the least skilled individual in the process.
 
I see no problem as long as you disclose where it came from. If it were advertised as "once fired" I'd be pretty upset to find I bought range pick-up brass.
 
You can sue anyone at anytime for anything. If there is any liability of selling it as is it would be very small.
 
Anyone who reloads should be inspecting their brass prior to using anyway. So, no, should not be an issue.
 
You can be sued for almost anything. Will they win? Unlikely. Sell it as brass scrap if you are worried.
 
roadchoad said:
You can be sued for almost anything. Will they win? Unlikely. Sell it as brass scrap if you are worried.
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May not "win" in the legal sense but I've seen where people collected money from a settlement with an insurance company- the insurance company knew they were lying and even told the policy holder (whose rates they raised because of it later) but said it cost less to give them $5000 than to fight it.
So in a sense they did "win".
 
my boys made quite a tidy sum doing just this.

they sorted , tumbled and resold.

#2 son even started to de-prime and size some

for a while they had a standing order for one cat little bucket per week. Then the range changed the deal and just paid the boys to sort, tumble and package and the range sold

then very ugly divorce between the owners of range and the whole deal came to a crashing halt ...

:banghead:
 
Rhinoh said:
May not "win" in the legal sense but I've seen where people collected money from a settlement with an insurance company- the insurance company knew they were lying and even told the policy holder (whose rates they raised because of it later) but said it cost less to give them $5000 than to fight it.
So in a sense they did "win".
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I see what you are saying, but disagree on principle. It is just basic risk management. If that case was actually in the court system and the suit wasn't dismissed, then the suit must have had a legitimate complaint with supporting evidence, and in settling with the insurance co, the plaintiff removed any possibility of getting further compensation for whatever damages they claimed to have incurred.
 
Caveat Emptor...

And all that.

You're too small a target to be worth it even in litigious states like NY or Ca.
A fella that will buy your pick-ups will have his own and pick-ups from others as well.

I wouldn't worry - you are in fact merely selling scrap.

Todd.
 
IANAL, but it seems to me if you sell for cash, face to face, there's no paper trail leading back to you, and hence, no proof that some particular piece of brass that failed came from you.

You don't expect to become anyone's EXCLUSIVE supplier, do you?

Add in the factor that any problem the buyer has would come from HIS handloads, and assigning liability would be . . . difficult.

You wrote that you have "several pounds" of brass . . . are you expecting to make some serious money on that small an amount?
 
During the last craze I sold several thousand pieces of 5.56 brass that in fact came from a scrap yard. I sold to an LGS and he sold to customers but I took the time to sort, clean, deprime, size, and package it which is why it sold faster than his other sources. I had no more worry about selling it than I would selling a used firearm, something more easily traceable to the previous owner.
 
JTHunter said:
IWAC - if you have any .38 Special or .357 Magnum brass and shipping isn't too much, I'd be interested in buying some of that brass from you.
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Sorry, JT, I'm keeping all of those for myself!:)

And...to the gentleman who pointed out the facts of life regarding Lawsuits, Insurance companies and Governmental agencies: Yes! My instructions were; Don't lose a settlement and release for a mere $1000! The release generally makes the whole thing go away, but at one time, the phrase (in the Insurer's favor, natch) was included; It read; "...to buy their peace...". The company's , not yours, although that is generally a byproduct. If you could settle a claim for $500 more than it would cost to file a lawsuit, DO IT! Besides, in this economy, who has an extra $1500-2500 just to file an answer to a nuisance lawsuit?

As an adjuster for 35+ years, I seldom got in trouble for settling a claim...Then there was the day I denied our Governor's claim because his cell phone was stolen from his limousine. Wasn't covered anywhere in the State's policy, but WHERE were his security persons??? Lock the car? He de GUV, and people RESPECT that!! :p :D

Glad to be retired? O my, YES!
 
There is "liability" in just being alive. You can be sued for anything ... including the way your part your hair or tie your shoes.

Winning that suit ... well, that is a whole different pot of stinkin kimchee.
 
They can sue you for anything, but would have to prove it was the brass they got from you, YOUR brass was defective, you were negligent and should have known it would fail, and that this defective brass caused them damages. Here's the really good one. - He's also going to have to prove that his handloading procedure was not the cause.

Sell the brass, and decribe it exactly as you did here, and include enough extras to cover bad ones you may have missed.

Now tell us what you have. :D
 
The only problem I have with range brass is you don't know its history. Most of it is safe most likely, but I've seen some that was bulged far beyond what I'd call usable.

Low pressure stuff like 45 ACP and 38 Special I'll grab in a heartbeat. But the higher pressure stuff like 10mm, some 9mm and 40 S&W I leave alone. In the grand scheme of things, considering useful life of quality new brass like Starline or Norma, the cost of new brass is very small on a per shot basis.
 
but I've seen some that was bulged far beyond what I'd call usable.
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Why they make resizing dies. I've been scrounging and shooting range brass for decades. Of course, you look over to see if there are cracks, etc and toss. otherwise load away, unless you are one of those who takes the max load data as merely a starting point and like to venture into uncharted territory........then all bets are off.
 
All brass I have picked up or swept up from a range stays in my brass buckets after sorting and culling the bad stuff, which is not much compared to what is good. Sorry but I am keeping it all for me so it is only my liability and with my QC program all has been very well up till now.
 
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