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Wait... did the thread get hijacked or are brewer12345 and Handshaker the same person using two accounts? I'm confused...
Load help 7.62x25
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I horned in.
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Well i got about 300 of the Hornady 90gr loaded with 12grs of h110. Now to go out and shoot the new PPs-43c. I bought all 700 or the Hornadys for 155 shipped and brass from Powder vallley. GTG.
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Bullets....
My ancient Zastava M57 bore is .312 so Hornady XTP are about it if you want to keep the speeds up. PPU sells a 85gr FMJRN 7.62 but the diameter is .3065 If I recall correctly Badman sells a .32cal 90gr csat and coated, Berrys offers a 71gr plated and there were a couple more other places also, but then you're limited to speed. I also have a old box of Speer ...somethings... that I can't remember exactly what of at the moment, I got from someone who knows I was looking for them. The obvious problem with lighter bullets is they are short, time will tell if they are too short to be of use.
I've modeled a number of powders, Accurate No5, True Blue, Win AutoComp, Vit 3N36, N350 are all in the range I'm looking for, but 3N36 is the clear choice with great case fill and burn rate with N350 a close second with slightly less case fill and burn rate. None of the others I mentioned have particularly good case fill so they might play difficult with ES/SD numbers..
I have everything else needed just have not found one of those powders locally yet and for the few times a year I shoot it I'd gladly pay a premium for the Vit, just can't justify hazmat for one or two pounds.
My ancient Zastava M57 bore is .312 so Hornady XTP are about it if you want to keep the speeds up. PPU sells a 85gr FMJRN 7.62 but the diameter is .3065 If I recall correctly Badman sells a .32cal 90gr csat and coated, Berrys offers a 71gr plated and there were a couple more other places also, but then you're limited to speed. I also have a old box of Speer ...somethings... that I can't remember exactly what of at the moment, I got from someone who knows I was looking for them. The obvious problem with lighter bullets is they are short, time will tell if they are too short to be of use.
I've modeled a number of powders, Accurate No5, True Blue, Win AutoComp, Vit 3N36, N350 are all in the range I'm looking for, but 3N36 is the clear choice with great case fill and burn rate with N350 a close second with slightly less case fill and burn rate. None of the others I mentioned have particularly good case fill so they might play difficult with ES/SD numbers..
I have everything else needed just have not found one of those powders locally yet and for the few times a year I shoot it I'd gladly pay a premium for the Vit, just can't justify hazmat for one or two pounds.
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You could take the plunge on some swaging dies & make them from 115gr 9mm.
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I may do that after the in the future, I'm tossing around getting a zastava tokarev as well. I am set up for casting, I have done quite a bit for 45-70 and BP stuff.
You can buy plated bullets for 30 carbine. Your velocity will be down a bit because of the heavier bullet. But you're not going to shed the plating.
H110 and 90s are pretty lively.
What is the heaviest/longest bullet that can be loaded in 7.62x25mm? I've seen a Russian company that loaded inverted, trimmed 112 grain 7.62x39 bullets, and the Chinese had a subsonic load with 120 grain bullet.
I'd love a subsonic 7.62x25mm with good penetrative ability. I know a company I think I can convince to make a 10" DI AR-15 pistol. Can M80 147 grain bullets for 7.62x51mm be safely loaded- and function- in a modern carbine action chambered in 7.62x25mm? (Of course, I'd want to be able to use factory 85 and 90-grain ammo, as well, so a custom chamber would be out.)
I think the "PDW" makers were off-base with 5.7 and 4.6mm. 7.62x25mm seems like the natural choice for this role, especially with a bit of optimizing. The ideal would be a round with subsonic energy similar or superior to 9x19mm subguns when shooting suppressed- with better penetration- and good performance against SBA at reactive distances with standard ammo. With less recoil, blast, and weight than 5.45x39 or 5.56x45mm, but more effect and less cost than 4.6 or 5.7mm.
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I'd love a subsonic 7.62x25mm with good penetrative ability. I know a company I think I can convince to make a 10" DI AR-15 pistol. Can M80 147 grain bullets for 7.62x51mm be safely loaded- and function- in a modern carbine action chambered in 7.62x25mm? (Of course, I'd want to be able to use factory 85 and 90-grain ammo, as well, so a custom chamber would be out.)
I think the "PDW" makers were off-base with 5.7 and 4.6mm. 7.62x25mm seems like the natural choice for this role, especially with a bit of optimizing. The ideal would be a round with subsonic energy similar or superior to 9x19mm subguns when shooting suppressed- with better penetration- and good performance against SBA at reactive distances with standard ammo. With less recoil, blast, and weight than 5.45x39 or 5.56x45mm, but more effect and less cost than 4.6 or 5.7mm.
John
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Pretty sure that 1.385" OAL is to fit existing magazines.
I used to load 110 grain .30 carbine pulls in my CZ-52's, mainly because they were really cheap. Accuracy was pretty good, but I wasn't pushing them very hard (I don't have the data anymore, but I'm pretty sure they weren't subsonic).
I'm sure you could set up an AR to safely shoot M80 bullets, the main problem I foresee would be magazine length. You might be able to use M1 Carbine mags (at reduced capacity), but I doubt you'd get them to function well with standard 85/90 grain round nose or hollowpoints.
The Swedes made a cartridge much like what you envision by necking the 7.62x25 down to 6.5 and using sabots for their supersonic rounds. But they used tungsten carbide even for their ball ammo, which pretty much kills the whole low cost thing. Penetration is pretty amazing for an SMG/PDW though.
http://www.cbjtech.com/ammunition/6-5x25-cbj/6-5x25-cbj-ball/
I think for most of what you want the 300 Blackout would cover it, except for the lower weight ammunition.
Thanks for the response. I've never seen the 6.5x25mm previously. It reminds me of .223 Timbs.
Ideally, an AR for 7.62x25mm would be a dedicated pistol AR, so a shorter magwell and shorter OAL. PPS-43 mags would be the natural choice for mags. I have .300 in rifle and pistol, but 7.62x25 mm would have reduced weight, reduced recoil, etc, considering that .300 outweighs 5 56x45mm, but 7.62x25mm is close to 9mm in weight.
Basically, I'd like a subgun size/recoil package with the ability to defeat SBA, and the option to throw a heavy suppressed round with more potential than 9x19mm 147 or 158-grain loads. If such a thing could readily be made using common components- like all those M80 bullets- that would be a huge advantage.
Ideally, an AR for 7.62x25mm would be a dedicated pistol AR, so a shorter magwell and shorter OAL. PPS-43 mags would be the natural choice for mags. I have .300 in rifle and pistol, but 7.62x25 mm would have reduced weight, reduced recoil, etc, considering that .300 outweighs 5 56x45mm, but 7.62x25mm is close to 9mm in weight.
Basically, I'd like a subgun size/recoil package with the ability to defeat SBA, and the option to throw a heavy suppressed round with more potential than 9x19mm 147 or 158-grain loads. If such a thing could readily be made using common components- like all those M80 bullets- that would be a huge advantage.
I found the following post on cast boolits:
(NOTE: not a suggestion to use following load data which is untested by me, and probably dangerous in at least some guns!)
One of my favorite Tok rounds is 9.5 gr of H110 with bulk 147 FMJ's seated to the lands. Very accurate. We have been building Tokarev AR barrels, gas systems, magazine adapters, (Pps-43's are the ones you want GW, the 41's are a different animal) and complete uppers for about 3 years now. Like GW said above, my thanks to Marty at Teppo Jutsu for his help getting us into this as well as his referal of his customers to us for their Tokarev needs. Our stock barrels are 1:10, but with the "legitimization" of the 300 / 221 we now stock 1:8 blanks as well for those sub users and 200+ gr bullets. The Tokarev is a high powered round and can easily be pushed to 1800 fps in a carbine. And for those that want a little more "oomph"
John
(NOTE: not a suggestion to use following load data which is untested by me, and probably dangerous in at least some guns!)
One of my favorite Tok rounds is 9.5 gr of H110 with bulk 147 FMJ's seated to the lands. Very accurate. We have been building Tokarev AR barrels, gas systems, magazine adapters, (Pps-43's are the ones you want GW, the 41's are a different animal) and complete uppers for about 3 years now. Like GW said above, my thanks to Marty at Teppo Jutsu for his help getting us into this as well as his referal of his customers to us for their Tokarev needs. Our stock barrels are 1:10, but with the "legitimization" of the 300 / 221 we now stock 1:8 blanks as well for those sub users and 200+ gr bullets. The Tokarev is a high powered round and can easily be pushed to 1800 fps in a carbine. And for those that want a little more "oomph"
John
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