Harry Paget Flashman
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Mark O'Brien, a columnist in our local paper cited a book, Freakonomics by Steven Dubner, in which conventional wisdom is questioned. In the article he quotes from the book:
Local paper cites gun tidbit. FYI
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Child Deaths
Just recently I have seen figuires that honest citizens are more at risk under a private doctors care or in hospital than from gunviolence. That is from the US but it seems likely to occur in other countries but stangely enough it never seems to be openly reported.I do wonder why?
Just recently I have seen figuires that honest citizens are more at risk under a private doctors care or in hospital than from gunviolence. That is from the US but it seems likely to occur in other countries but stangely enough it never seems to be openly reported.I do wonder why?
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http://www.antiauthority.com/gunfreedom/poolskillkids/
Each year about five hundred children under the age of five accidentally drown in residential swimming pools, compared to about forty killed in gun accidents, despite the fact that there are only about five million households with swimming pools, compared to at least 43 million with guns. Thus, based on owning households, the risk of a fatal accident among small children is over one hundred times higher for swimming pools than for guns."
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The Centers for Disease Control could identify only 21 children under age 15 dying from accidental handgun deaths in 1996. But 40 children under the age of five drown in water buckets every year and another 80 drown in bathtubs.
Each year about five hundred children under the age of five accidentally drown in residential swimming pools, compared to about forty killed in gun accidents, despite the fact that there are only about five million households with swimming pools, compared to at least 43 million with guns. Thus, based on owning households, the risk of a fatal accident among small children is over one hundred times higher for swimming pools than for guns."
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The Centers for Disease Control could identify only 21 children under age 15 dying from accidental handgun deaths in 1996. But 40 children under the age of five drown in water buckets every year and another 80 drown in bathtubs.
Sir Aardvark
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Friendly,
People die all of the time under their physician's care, it's called "Medical Misadventure".
I don't want to start something here where we bash on doctors (like some forum members here sometimes bash on LEO's), but I find it hypocritical that the AMA and more than a few doctors are so critical of firearms, yet still have a lot of cleaning to do in their own house, due to negligence and downright incompetence.
People die all of the time under their physician's care, it's called "Medical Misadventure".
I don't want to start something here where we bash on doctors (like some forum members here sometimes bash on LEO's), but I find it hypocritical that the AMA and more than a few doctors are so critical of firearms, yet still have a lot of cleaning to do in their own house, due to negligence and downright incompetence.
Im not disputing the story since i have no idea if its true or not. However, after exploring that site a little bit it strikes me that if Ted Kaczynski and the guy from the "Juice Man" informercials had a love child, that this would be his homepage.
richyoung
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That's not whats under discusion here. We are talking about misdiagnosis, mistreatment, wrong drugs, wrong dose, ineffective, allergic or other adverse reaction to treatment, take out the good lung or kidney by mistake, leaving instruments and other debris in patients, amputate wrong limb (or wrong patient!), infection not present when admitted to hospital, and other incidents of quackery, buffoonery, and incompetence which are variously estimated to take between 100,000 and 200,000 lives in the United States each year, as apposed to about 34,000 firearms deaths, with about 1/3 of those being "legal intervention" (cop and self defense), with about another third being suicide.
That book Freakonomics is a must read. There are some wacky things in there. A local talk show guy was quoting some stuff out of there one day like how certain child's name's indicate the household income for that family and how they can also indicate a child's learning ability.
Greg
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As many as 195,000 people a year could be dying in U.S. hospitals because of easily prevented errors, a company said on Tuesday in an estimate that doubles previous figures.
Lakewood, Colorado-based HealthGrades Inc. said its data covers all 50 states and is more up-to-date than a 1999 study from the Institute of Medicine (news - web sites) that said 98,000 people a year die from medical errors.
"The HealthGrades study shows that the IOM report may have underestimated the number of deaths due to medical errors, and, moreover, that there is little evidence that patient safety has improved in the last five years," said Dr. Samantha Collier, vice president of medical affairs at the company.
The company, which rates hospitals based on a variety of criteria and provides information to insurers and health plans, said its researchers looked at three years of Medicare data in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.
"This Medicare population represented approximately 45 percent of all hospital admissions (excluding obstetric patients) in the U.S. from 2000 to 2002," the company said in a statement.
HealthGrades included as mistakes failure to rescue dying patients and the death of low-risk patients from infections -- neither of which the Institute of Medicine report included.
It said it found about 1.14 million "patient-safety incidents" occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations.
"Of the total 323,993 deaths among Medicare patients in those years who developed one or more patient-safety incidents, 263,864, or 81 percent, of these deaths were directly attributable to the incidents," it added.
"One in every four Medicare patients who were hospitalized from 2000 to 2002 and experienced a patient-safety incident died."
The U.S. government said it is trying to spearhead a move to get hospitals and clinics to use electronic databases and prescribing methods. The Institute of Medicine report said many deaths were due to medication prescribing errors or to errors in delivering medications.
"If the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites)'s annual list of leading causes of death included medical errors, it would show up as number six, ahead of diabetes, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease (news - web sites) and renal disease," Collier said.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As many as 195,000 people a year could be dying in U.S. hospitals because of easily prevented errors, a company said on Tuesday in an estimate that doubles previous figures.
Lakewood, Colorado-based HealthGrades Inc. said its data covers all 50 states and is more up-to-date than a 1999 study from the Institute of Medicine (news - web sites) that said 98,000 people a year die from medical errors.
"The HealthGrades study shows that the IOM report may have underestimated the number of deaths due to medical errors, and, moreover, that there is little evidence that patient safety has improved in the last five years," said Dr. Samantha Collier, vice president of medical affairs at the company.
The company, which rates hospitals based on a variety of criteria and provides information to insurers and health plans, said its researchers looked at three years of Medicare data in all 50 states and Washington, D.C.
"This Medicare population represented approximately 45 percent of all hospital admissions (excluding obstetric patients) in the U.S. from 2000 to 2002," the company said in a statement.
HealthGrades included as mistakes failure to rescue dying patients and the death of low-risk patients from infections -- neither of which the Institute of Medicine report included.
It said it found about 1.14 million "patient-safety incidents" occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations.
"Of the total 323,993 deaths among Medicare patients in those years who developed one or more patient-safety incidents, 263,864, or 81 percent, of these deaths were directly attributable to the incidents," it added.
"One in every four Medicare patients who were hospitalized from 2000 to 2002 and experienced a patient-safety incident died."
The U.S. government said it is trying to spearhead a move to get hospitals and clinics to use electronic databases and prescribing methods. The Institute of Medicine report said many deaths were due to medication prescribing errors or to errors in delivering medications.
"If the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites)'s annual list of leading causes of death included medical errors, it would show up as number six, ahead of diabetes, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease (news - web sites) and renal disease," Collier said.
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