Looking for the truth about dry firing

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I've heard all kinds of things about dry firing handguns.. Is there anyone who can explain why dry firing is or isn't bad for guns? I'm assuming most of what I've heard is based on some kind of truth, so are there certain guns that can be safely dry fired? I've heard newer revolvers won't be damaged by dry firing.. But that information can't be entirely true.

I guess I would just like to know because the question always comes up. I'm asking in the revolver forum because right now all i own for handguns is s&w revolvers
 
As a rule-of thumb, rim-fire revolvers shouldn't be dry fired unless they're snap-caps or empty cases in the chambers. Otherwise the edge of the chamber can become dented and damaged, as can the end of the firing pin.

Some argue that unlimited dry firing won't hurt a center-fire revolver. However I disagree as I've replaced broken firing pins in guns where they supposedly wouldn't break.

Using quality snap-caps (available from www.brownells.com) substantually reduces the chances of having a firing pin break, and are well worth the modest cost as insurance.

In itself, dry firing is a good way to practice so long as you pay attention to what you are doing, and at the same time the internal parts will burnish themselves, and in so doing the action will become smoother, with no adverse consequences on the manufacturer's warantee.
 
As ColtPythonElite said, it depends completely on the type of gun.

As an example, a Ruger MKII is a rimfire that is perfectly safe to dry fire. There is a cross pin that goes through a slot in the firing pin that keeps the pin from hitting the chamber wall. As long as that pin is in place, you can - and bullseye shooters will -dry fire it as many tens of thousands of times as you want with no consequences (other than shooting better :)).

A S&W Model 41 has a different design, and you had better not dry fire it w/o one of the little rubber inserts in the chamber, or the firing pin will peen a burr out into the chamber.

A few 1911 shooters will put a little leather rectangle in the slot at the rear of the slide so the hammer falls on that pad, but most just dryfire away w/o problems. And these are bullseye shooters, who dryfire a lot.

It all depends on the particular design.
 
Just about any modern centerfire firearm can be dry-fired. It's a VITAL part of practicing your shooting fundamentals.

Many rimfires, especially older ones, need a cartridge or snap cap to keep the firing pin from hitting the chamber edges and causing peening.

Check the owner's manual on rimfires to make sure they're dry-fire safe.

Centerfires? Dryfire at least 100 shots a day, concentrating on your trigger control and sight picture. It will make you a far better shooter!
 
I wouldn't dry fire a revolver with the firing pin on the hammer without snap caps.
 
Traditional single actions with fixed firing pins (1st - early 2nd Gen Colts, USFA) should not be dry fired without a snap cap as the firing pin can batter the frame / pin bushing and itself also get damaged.
 
I've broke older FP's on various center fire weapons when dry firing, mostly AL pistols. But my newer ones have been dry fired thousands of times, including revolvers and AL pistols, without any problems.

GS
 
I go strictly by what the manual says. All of my Ruger handguns (including rimfire) have statements in the manual saying dry firing can be done without damage.

I've seen videos of S&W technicians dry firing new revolvers while setting them up. The manuals on my S&W revolvers do not say a word about it so I use snap caps. Same for other revolvers with no mention in the manuals.

The manual for my FA Model 83 specifically recommends against dry firing since it can possibly damage the firing pin. I use snap caps for it just to be safe.

There are very high quality, long lasting snap caps for all of the popular centerfire revolvers. I would highly recommend using them if there is any question, they are cheap insurance.

Dan
 
I have a suspicion that hammer mounted firing pins are more susceptible to damage by dryfiring (they can also leave a burr where they exit) without a snap cap than the newer frame mounted firing pins. Not really willing to dryfire the thousands of times to prove whether or not this is true.
 
Many have sought the truth about dryfiring, and many have sought the meaning of life.

The meaning of life seekers are farther along.
 
No answer fits all guns.

That pretty well states it.

As far as rimfire semi-autos are concerned, I stick with the manufacturer's recommendations. Ruger has clearly stated in the manual for the Mark II and Mark III that as long as you put the cross pin back in the bolt when you reassemble the gun, dry firing is fine. They also state that if you forget, dry firing the gun even once may ruin the barrel. Probably an exaggeration, but I ain't going there. Ruger also states in the manuals for their Vaqueros that dry firing is fine. More on that in a bit.

With centerfire revolvers, most of it gets down to geometry. Think of it this way. If a car slams into a bridge abutment, when the car stops, the forces acting on the people inside try to keep them moving forward. The old bit about a body in motion will try to keep moving if not acted on by a separate force. The exact same thing happens when a hammer drops, except the effect is actually much more extreme. When the car crashes, there is a crumple zone that slows down the impact and absorbs a great deal of the shock. Not so in a firearm, when the hammer slams into the frame, it comes to a sudden, violent stop. The G forces of deceleration are actually much greater than in the car crash.

Take a look at these photos.

The first photo is of the hammer of a S&W Model 1917. It's not so much the fact that the pin is mounted to the hammer, its the shape that is important. Notice how the firing pin (S&W calls it the Hammer Nose) tapers down sharply to the final diameter, and then becomes cylindrical for the final length. The firing pin is most susceptible to breakage right where I drew the red line. When the hammer slams to a stop, the entire firing pin is just like the person in the car crash. It wants to keep moving forward. The rivet holding the firing pin in place restrains it, just like a seat belt. But the firing pin is made of hardened steel, and stress points can be generated by sharp transitions. The G forces are so extreme, that the tip of the firing pin can break off right at the red line and keep going forward. No, it is not going to happen the first time, or not the second, but if you dry fire it enough, that tip might just decide to keep flying forward. Fortunately, S&W firing pins are easy to replace.

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The next photo is of a 2nd Gen Colt hammer and firing pin. Same story. There is a better transition to the cylindrical shape at the business end of the pin, but if it is going to break, the blue line indicates where it is most likely to separate.

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Ruger Vaquero and Blackhawk firing pins are shaped like a hockey puck with a small projection where the actual firing pin is. They are mounted in the frame, but they still get slammed forward every time the hammer falls, and if there is no primer to cushion them, they come to a violent stop a microsecond or so later. But their shape seems to be more robust, and I have never heard of one breaking.


This is the hammer from a S&W Schofield revolver made in 1875. Look at that firing pin. It is typical of S&W firing pins of the time. It is an integral part of the hammer, machined into the shape, it is not a separate part. There is no way I would dry fire a gun with a hammer design like this. The square, sharp shoulder where the firing pin meets the rest of the hammer is a perfect place for Stress Risers to form, a perfect place for the firing pin to separate from the hammer, and it would be really tough to find a replacement.

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Now all of this begs the question, why is it OK to drop the hammer on a live round or a snap cap?

A live primer or a snap cap works exactly the same as an air bag in a modern car. It cushions the blow. The firing pin contacts a primer or a snap cap before the hammer comes to that slamming stop. The primer begins deforming, and a snap cap starts yielding to the firing pin and forma s protective cushion, just like the airbag, but on a much smaller scale. So that when the hammer slams to a stop, the primer or snap cap is supporting the tip of the firing pin and preventing its impulse to continue moving forward, just like the air bag.

One more comment about snap caps. Use a real snap cap, don't rely on the old false wisdom of using a spent case with a fired primer. After a few impacts, a spent primer will be pounded into a new shape so that it can no longer cushion a firing pin. The firing pin will come to that slamming stop before it contacts the reshaped spent primer. So the spent primer will not protect the firing pin like a proper snap cap will.

One last comment, nothing is foolproof. The firing pin in that Colt is not the original. The original broke one day when I was firing it at the range. I have no idea how many times previous owners may have dry fired the gun, perhaps weakening the pin, just as I have no idea how many times that Schofield hammer may have been dry fired. I do know that one day my Colt broke its pin, and I had never dry fired it.
 
I have broken both hammer and frame mounted firing pins on S&W revolvers with and without Snap Caps. I have yet to break a firing pin on a Ruger GP100 or Super Redhawk Alaskan.

I dry fire my Glocks all day long and have done so for over a decade.

My SIG P220's hammer return spring broke due to dry fire. SIG has since fixed this flaw.

As stated before, no single answer fits all guns. Guns that appear to be safe for dry fire can have some sort of flaw that will eventually cause a problem. Research your gun and make sure it won't develop problems. Aways use AZOOM Snap Caps (or similar) to reduce the effects of damage and to force you to open that chamber and inspect it.
 
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