M&P 45, striker fully cocked?
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Quack
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Fully cocked.
REAPER4206969
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The sear cams the striker to the rear slightly so technically it is pre-set DAO.
Runningman
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On the M&P, as the slide goes forward the striker is left partially cocked. Pulling the trigger finishes cocking the striker fully.
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Then so is the XD and XD-m. By that logic, then so is a 1911 with a poor trigger job...
I wouldn't think that the IDPA board would be fooled by mere marketing. Rather, they actually LOOKED AT THE XD and determined it was, essentially, SA. Why they didn't look at the M&P is a mystery.
I don't know, maybe they assumed that the M&P was a clone of the Glock just like the Sigma. While there is no excuse, there must be a reason.
Jim Watson
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As I understand it, the original importer described the HS2000 as single action and the description stuck after Springfield took over and sold it as the XD. I suspect this has cost them a lot of opportunities for US police business as well as putting the gun in IDPA ESP.
S&W promoted the Plastic M&P as equivalent to a Glock and that description stuck well enough for many government agencies and IDPA to accept for SSP.
I don't see a real difference. My PM&P does not cam the striker back any farther than the hammer cammed back on my CZ75 (before its trigger job.)
But IDPA and a lot of government agencies do, and that is not likely to change.
If you want to shoot your XD versus Glocks, try USPSA Production which lumps them together.
S&W promoted the Plastic M&P as equivalent to a Glock and that description stuck well enough for many government agencies and IDPA to accept for SSP.
I don't see a real difference. My PM&P does not cam the striker back any farther than the hammer cammed back on my CZ75 (before its trigger job.)
But IDPA and a lot of government agencies do, and that is not likely to change.
If you want to shoot your XD versus Glocks, try USPSA Production which lumps them together.
schmeky
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Pulling the trigger rearward does not technically finish cocking the striker. It is cocked when the sear impacts the striker after the slide fully returns to battery. Pulling the trigger rearward, depending on which manufacturer is being referenced, just additionally tensions/extends the striker anywhere from a few thousanths on up.
Runningman
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In the literature I have, S&W uses the words "partially cocked".
Taken from out of S&W own 2009 product Guide.
"In terms of trigger operation, The M&P design is striker fired and requires manual cycling of the slide to reset the mechanism in the event of a misfire. As the slide goes forward the striker is left partially cocked, resulting in a 6 1/2 pound DAO trigger stroke of .300, which completely retracts the striker before tripping the sear."
well, it does roll off the tongue a bit easier than non-setting partially cocked DAO
schmeky
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Runningman,
Who am I to argue with S&W? I had a couple M&P's and did trigger work on them (one turned out great, the other, uh, not so good). M&P uses a sear with a stepped face. When pulling the trigger, the striker is pushed back by the "hump" in the sear, which indeed pushes the striker back (additional cocking). I did not know it was an additional .300", which is a alot.
This is why the Apex sear is so popular. My Glock has virtually no additional striker "cocking" and my XD has none. However, both been modified.
Who am I to argue with S&W? I had a couple M&P's and did trigger work on them (one turned out great, the other, uh, not so good). M&P uses a sear with a stepped face. When pulling the trigger, the striker is pushed back by the "hump" in the sear, which indeed pushes the striker back (additional cocking). I did not know it was an additional .300", which is a alot.
This is why the Apex sear is so popular. My Glock has virtually no additional striker "cocking" and my XD has none. However, both been modified.
REAPER4206969
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