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ken grant

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I have 2 Metalform 8rd. mags. with flat top followers[they have the dimple that Tuner likes] They seem to work O.K.
I also have a few 8 rd. mags.with Devel type followers[Colt & CMC] and I know Tuner and others don't like these followers,so my question is, will the 8rd. F.T. Metalform followers replace the Devel type and work in my mags.?
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KEN:confused:
 
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I will be along shortly; in the meantime: my guess is that if the height of the follower and area where the spring seats are the same you should be ok to swap.

If the height is different it will effect the spring tension and if the seat is different same thing and you might get uneven wear on the follower and uneven pressure on the cartridge which might effect feeding reliability.

If you swap spring and follwoer together, should be ok.

Try it and let us know.
 
I have swapped a couple of Metalform 8-shot followers for Devel and Shooting Star, so you have a good chance of it working the other way.

Do your CMC magazines not work or are you just making a change because Tuner prefers GI?
 
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Jim asked:

Do your CMC magazines not work or are you just making a change because Tuner prefers GI?
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They're not workin'. Check his "Another magazine Question" thread.
Last round bolt-over-base feeds out the ying-yang.

For the record...I actually prefer Metalform mags over GI because they're more versatile in what bullet profile they'll feed reliably. I use a lot of GI
hardball mags on the range because:

I shoot hardball equivalent reloads with 230 RN jacketed or RN hard cast bullets, and they work perfectly with those. They were cheap when I bought'em. I've got'em out the wazoo, and they're tough enough to take a lickin' and keep on tickin' and I let'em fall on the ground a lot.

I do, however prefer 7-round magazines over any 8-rounder that I've tried...with flat, dimpled followers please.:cool:

Cheers!
 
Magazines

STRANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The mags have been working O.K. Even before I changed to Wolf springs. All at once,I had 6 FTF's[live rd. stovepipe,all different mags]. Never happened before!
Went back to range today,same pistol,same ammo and same mags.[10 in all] Had one FTF,also live rd. stovepipe.:confused: :confused: :confused: :banghead: :cuss:
KEN
 
Sounds strange to me, too.
I use 7-round Metalforms for carry but get acceptable shooting out of the 8s for match use. If I were shooting something that did not reward an 8 round capacity, it would be 7s all the time, but IDPA CDP is my main driver.

Acceptable = NO malfunctions since I changed recoil and magazine springs last month. Which is why malfs after spring replacement are really peculiar.
 
Strange

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ken...How heavy is the recoil spring in that shooter? It almost sounds like short-cycle malfunctions. The tip is that it runs one day, and goes fugasi
the next.

Last-round malfunctions like yours are almost always a short cycle, a weak magazine spring, or an unstable follower that isn't consistent...and it'll show up on the top round or the last round 99.9% of the time.

Is there any indication of the slide getting into a bind when you hand-cycle it? Will the pistol lock the slide back on empty if you deliberately take a limp grip? Load one round and check it a few times.

How about the ammo? Good, consistent stuff that doesn't vary a lot in
recoil or report? Some of the bargain basement brands or commercial
reloads will do that in some lots. I won't name a particular brand, lest it bring howls of indignation...but I have seen it happen a lot. Does the brass always kick well clear of the port...or does some of it dribble out onto the ground?

Try a known good brand of ammo...Federal American Eagle is a good place to start. Stick with 230 grain for the present. One box should tell the tale. To check as many last round feeds as possible, load two rounds per magazine for the test.

If all else fails...you ain't that far away. Bring'er on up here and we'll have a look-see. Coffee and tweakin' is on the house.
 
magazines

Stock recoil spring---appox. 2000 rds on pistol--Colt Combat Commander
WWB ammo
6 Colt mags.
5 Shooting Star S.S.
4 " " Blue
All have Wolf springs
No bind on slide when worked
I am betting on the followers! Leaf angles all over the map. I really don't see how they can hold their angles because of the spring pressure from the bottom and the pressure from the cart. from above===
Some leafs are close together and some wide apart.
THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE,SOMEWHERE WHO KNOWS WHAT THESE ANGLES SHOULD BE!
 
followers

No buffer!! Iam going to try 7 rd. mags in the pistol and see what happens.

Hey you guys, I want to tell you what a great guy 1911 TUNER is.He offered to fit an oversized firingpin stop to my Norinco Compact and I took him up on it.
He fit the stop,tweaked the extractor and blended the extractor to match the rest of the pistol. He also put in a stronger firingpin spring.

Now he is offering to work on the followers and also send me a mag to try as a control

Guys like him are few and far between and getting fewer everyday!!!!!!!
 
Commanders have an extended ejector and need magazines compatable to Commander timing :ie: the right shape on the feed lips. Also, things happen faster with Commanders and they require magazines with stiffer magazine springs. I use CMC Power Mags and have have 0 problems with my LW 1954 Colt Commander that I bet my life on daily. I use the Phantom Spring that Tuner has never seen in mine, an 18 lb Wolff Commander recoil spring. It works for me. I use my 8 round mags one round light (7 in the Mag, 1 in the chamber) as a "Fudge Factor"
 
Magazine Saga

Went back to range today with 15 mags
6 Colt-----5 Shooting Star S.S.----4 Shooting Star blue
120 rds. fired-----2 live rd. stovepipes[baseover feed]
Have went from no failures to 6 FTF's to 1 FTF to 2 FTF's.
Can't figure it out, same pistol,same ammo and same mags.
Had no failures with stk. mag springs
Had no failures with Wolf springs for several firings
All of a sudden--6 FTF---last rd. live stove
Next trip---1 FTF---last rd. stovepipe
Today----2 FTF--last round stovepipe
I have all mags numbered and there seems to be no pattern to failures:banghead: :cuss: :confused:
 
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>Commanders have an extended ejector and need magazines compatable to Commander timing.<

:scrutiny: :confused:
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>Also, things happen faster with Commanders and they require magazines with stiffer magazine springs.<

Yessir...The faster the slide be movin to battery, the faster the mag needs to be pushin' the ammo up.
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No one should put a Shok-buff in a Commander sized 1911. I do not like guide rods in them either. They are Carry Guns. They are not easy to tweak and make 100% reliable, but it can be done. I carried a Bill Bidwell Jawbone Commander as a Duty Weapon when I was a Deputy Sheriff. It would do double taps like they were one shot! It was all steel and I traded it off somewhere along the line. I do not have any use for an all steel Commander as I would just as soon carry a 5". That Jaw Bone never missed a beat.
 
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